Browns | Team may release QB Derek Anderson

[Mitch]

What encourages me about any QBs the Cardinals pick up, is that Kurt Warner was supposedly washed up when Whiz arrived and look what happened. As long as the Cardinals are proficient at WR and they have a coach like Whiz, QBs in Arizona may experience a Renaissance like Warner did.

 

[TJ]

What encourages me about any QBs the Cardinals pick up, is that Kurt Warner was supposedly washed up when Whiz arrived and look what happened. As long as the Cardinals are proficient at WR and they have a coach like Whiz, QBs in Arizona may experience a Renaissance like Warner did.

Tough call. No one, I mean NO ONE is as mentally tough as Kurt. I think a lot of us knew that Warner was going to pay dividends for the Cardinals large in part to his track record. Yes the table is there for any QB to succeed in AZ; however, they still need to throw the ball in the general direction of the receiver. Anderson reminds me of a Jeff George. Big arm, no accuracy. I want a more balanced back up here and I think that guy is David Carr.

 

[moklerman]

I want a more balanced back up here and I think that guy is David Carr.

I don't know why that made me laugh. I don't even disagree but somehow that statement just sounds funny. Carr is from Bakersfield so I feel compelled to root for the guy but he may be damaged goods in a literal sense. Perhaps the time off from starting did him some good but he might just be ruined from being a 1/1, sacked more than anyone and not living up to the expectations.

As a backup, maybe he's fine but Leinart still hasn't proven to be durable so Carr, I think, would be a big gamble. Is it telling that Spagnuolo didn't go after him as insurance for the Rams, opting instead for Kyle Boller? Or is that just an indictment against Spagnuolo's ability to judge QB's?

Carr is pretty healthy and did complete 68% of his passes one year so I haven't completely given up on him but he's a long shot at this point. Any QB that actually chooses to be a backup has to be looked at with a critical eye. For my money, you never want a QB who is okay with being the backup.

 

[Duckjake]

Tough call. No one, I mean NO ONE is as mentally tough as Kurt. I think a lot of us knew that Warner was going to pay dividends for the Cardinals large in part to his track record. Yes the table is there for any QB to succeed in AZ; however, they still need to throw the ball in the general direction of the receiver. Anderson reminds me of a Jeff George. Big arm, no accuracy. I want a more balanced back up here and I think that guy is David Carr.

I didn't see that at all. Going into 2007 it had been 5 years since Warner had any real success as a QB or a QB rating over 90. His record as a starter was 8-23 over those 5 seasons and he had lost his starting spot twice, once to Josh McCown!. He had 27 tds and 30 ints during that period. Plus he was 36 years old.

What happened from the mid point of the 2007 season through the Green Bay game this year was nothing short of an NFL miracle.

Of course the fact that the Cards haven't had a defense for 15 years didn't help that W-L record any.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Just more proof why the pro bowl doesnt matter when talking about a players ability.

The year he went to the pro bowl he threw for a woefull 56 completion percentage and bad INT to TD ratio.

I laughed my butt off after they gave him his new contract because he wasnt a good QB then and he isnt a QB now.

I get that you think the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, but your still not going to get a backup with that type of tangible NFL success. If even for one year. Of course he has his flaws. He wouldn't be available if he didn't.

But the last time he had all weapons working in sync, he was a monster with regards to leading their offense. Weak schedule or not.

He just passes the eyeball test for me. He has a rocket arm and he has had a bit of success. I am not sure your going to do much better then that in getting insurance for Matt.

 

[TJ]

I don't know why that made me laugh. I don't even disagree but somehow that statement just sounds funny. Carr is from Bakersfield so I feel compelled to root for the guy but he may be damaged goods in a literal sense. Perhaps the time off from starting did him some good but he might just be ruined from being a 1/1, sacked more than anyone and not living up to the expectations.

As a backup, maybe he's fine but Leinart still hasn't proven to be durable so Carr, I think, would be a big gamble. Is it telling that Spagnuolo didn't go after him as insurance for the Rams, opting instead for Kyle Boller? Or is that just an indictment against Spagnuolo's ability to judge QB's?

Carr is pretty healthy and did complete 68% of his passes one year so I haven't completely given up on him but he's a long shot at this point. Any QB that actually chooses to be a backup has to be looked at with a critical eye. For my money, you never want a QB who is okay with being the backup.

I don't think Carr just wants to be a back up. I think he thinks he still has something to prove to the league. Carr was given a bad deal in Houston. They drafted the franchise QB and failed to sign a decent o-line and give him reliable weapons. If you are getting hit 10 times and sacked 4 times per game, chances are you are not going to succeed.

The times I've seen him fill in for Eli, he has looked impressive. He is young enough that he can still revive his career.

I didn't see that at all. Going into 2007 it had been 5 years since Warner had any real success as a QB or a QB rating over 90. His record as a starter was 8-23 over those 5 seasons and he had lost his starting spot twice, once to Josh McCown!. He had 27 tds and 30 ints during that period. Plus he was 36 years old.

What happened from the mid point of the 2007 season through the Green Bay game this year was nothing short of an NFL miracle.

Of course the fact that the Cards haven't had a defense for 15 years didn't help that W-L record any.

I probably didnt explain myself very well. Warner was the best QB we signed since Plummer. Anything at the time looked better than Shaun Hill and Josh McCown. Even though the dividends did not pay off immediately, there was still a feeling he would succeed. Credit much of it to Whis's system, but instead of giving up, he kept fighting to get back into the starter's role. Every interview I saw up until 2008, the underlying message was "I want to start again. I want another chance." Keep in mind that before he was benched in favor of Eli in NY, he had a 5-4 record in a below average team.

 

[Duckjake]

I probably didnt explain myself very well. Warner was the best QB we signed since Plummer. Anything at the time looked better than Shaun Hill and Josh McCown. Even though the dividends did not pay off immediately, there was still a feeling he would succeed. Credit much of it to Whis's system, but instead of giving up, he kept fighting to get back into the starter's role. Every interview I saw up until 2008, the underlying message was "I want to start again. I want another chance." Keep in mind that before he was benched in favor of Eli in NY, he had a 5-4 record in a below average team.

OK I can see your point now. Heck I'd have been an improvement over Shaun King, Josh McKown, and the most overrated free agent QB signing in Cardinal history, Jeff Blake.

The one thing we'll never really know is how much of Warner's struggles in 2005 and 2006 were a result of Denny Green and his huge ego when it came to QB play or a result of Warner being out of sync.

 

[TJ]

OK I can see your point now. Heck I'd have been an improvement over Shaun King, Josh McKown, and the most overrated free agent QB signing in Cardinal history, Jeff Blake.

The one thing we'll never really know is how much of Warner's struggles in 2005 and 2006 were a result of Denny Green and his huge ego when it came to QB play or a result of Warner being out of sync.

Just realize I said Shaun "Hill" Oops.....guess that's how bad he was

 

[moklerman]

I don't think Carr just wants to be a back up.

I don't have the link, it's been too long, but when he went to Carolina he was thoroughly beaten down from his days as a Texan and he was quoted as saying he was fine with being Delhomme's backup. Maybe he's been rejuvenated but for an NFL QB under 30 years old to say such a thing was a bright red flag for me.

I'm not against him at all though but when QB's start talking about retirement or are happy just to be a backup, it's usually not a good indicator of where their head and heart are.

I've always thought that Carr had all the physical tools but he just comes up short of having "it". I don't even think it's by very much but he's just one of those guys that's never going to quite make it as a full time starter. Which isn't what we're talking about if he's going to be a backup for Leinart but I don't really see the connection to Whis or Grimm or Graves that would make me think he would be on their radar.