Fitzgerald: Go back and watch the first 8 games of the season.

[cardsfanmd]

So we are to say that what we assume Boldin can do healthy is more valuable than what Fitzgerald actually did.

Not sure if that was exactly what I meant, but up until his injury, Q was Warner's go-to guy. After the hip that guy became Fitz.

 

[moklerman]

There a difference between losing your footing, getting your feet tangled and falling down as to being completely untouched and running directly out of bounds.

When running down the sideline, it's bound to happen every once in a while. He was trying to maximize the angle that he had. He doesn't have breakaway speed and although he was behind the defense, it wasn't a sure TD. If a guy like Eric Dickerson got behind the defense...no question. He's gone. Fitz was in a footrace and had a long way to go. I wish his awareness would have been better but it wasn't like he ran out of bounds to avoid being hit.

His cutting it too close and Q's clumsiness are both examples of fluke plays that neither of them usually make.

 

[Rab]

I am a huge Fitz fan. I don't want him to go anywhere, but if resigning him to the contract he wants means the Cards are unable to improve other parts of their team, then you have to consider moving on without him.

 

[cardsfanmd]

With the new pass interference rules, it doesn't make sense to do that anymore, does it?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

With a good line, you can run the ball successfully, which is the main goal on offense IMO. With above average blocking, the WRs will have plenty of time to get open and the QB will be able to find the best option. Any WR can get open with 5-7 seconds to do so. Look what happened to Champ Bailey this year when his team was unable to generate a pass rush.

 

[Mulli]

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

With a good line, you can run the ball successfully, which is the main goal on offense IMO. With above average blocking, the WRs will have plenty of time to get open and the QB will be able to find the best option. Any WR can get open with 5-7 seconds to do so. Look what happened to Champ Bailey this year when his team was unable to generate a pass rush.

What you say makes some sense.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Answer me this, what do you think would have happened had Q caught that pass against Tampa where Larry ran out of bounds for no reason???

He would have been caught from behind cause he was still injured at the time and not 100% ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

They are a wash IMO. Both good at what they do. But one is certainly more electrifying than the other.

No doubt.

Look Boldin is my favorite player. But Fitzgerald has been more productive, and is getting harder, and harder and harder to cover each year. That is just that.

Guys are calling out Fitzgerald game by game last year? ARE F'N KIDDING ME?

Why don't you write up what Boldin did for us game by game ? Let's drag his name through the mud, and put him under the microscope.

Someone wanna say Fitz is making too much $$$ ? FINE.

Someone wanna say we should think about trading him ? FINE.

But dragging his name through the mud, questioning his heart, and down playing the guys AMAZING production is ridiculous and untrue.

Fitzgerald has played his butt off for this team through good and bad. He has played injured, he has looked to improve his game when he was doing fine just relying on ability, and he is a young talented reciever who is getting a bad rap in the press and on this board for reasons I cannot imagine.

It is getting pretty disgusting. IMO

The guy deserves some respect.

 

[moklerman]

Looking at last year's cap hits for WR's, Owens had the largest number at just under $10 million. I'm willing to be that Fitz will eventually sign and become top 5 in salary at the very least. No way that he or his agent can expect to get $17 M when the other top 5 are at $10 (ish).

 

[Jetstream Green]

This thread says one thing, as a whole we all value the abilities of Fitz and Q. In a funny way, it is like a guy looking in his garage saying "can I really afford this Ferrari and this Lamborghini and still be able to keep the house" LOL.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Prime example of why i prefer Q to Fitz:

His play on the field may not be equal in some eyes, but I dare someone to tell me that he would have held out like this and cost the team Pace and likely Faneca as well. There is something to be said for team players.

Well, maybe I wasn't totally correct. After Fitz robs us for this 14.5mil and we cut him next year he will probably be willing to go play cheap for a contender in 2009.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Prime example of why i prefer Q to Fitz:

His play on the field may not be equal in some eyes, but I dare someone to tell me that he would have held out like this and cost the team Pace and likely Faneca as well. There is something to be said for team players.

Well, maybe I wasn't totally correct. After Fitz robs us for this 14.5mil and we cut him next year he will probably be willing to go play cheap for a contender in 2009.

Yeah, I guess that's why Boldin has Drew Rosenhaus as his agent and held out of OTAs until he got an extension a few years ago.

People are actling like Fitz did something. All he did was make the Pro Bowl twice in four seasons. He's not demanding money that he didn't earn and wasn't on terms agreed upon before hand. If the Cards couldn't live with the deal they made, they shouldn't have offered it.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yeah, I guess that's why Boldin has Drew Rosenhaus as his agent and held out of OTAs until he got an extension a few years ago.

People are actling like Fitz did something. All he did was make the Pro Bowl twice in four seasons. He's not demanding money that he didn't earn and wasn't on terms agreed upon before hand. If the Cards couldn't live with the deal they made, they shouldn't have offered it.

Everything you wrote is true.

I am not mad at Fitz for trying to get his money. There is nothing wrong with that. He is knowingly hurting the team though, which irritates me.

I am pissed at Graves for beating around the bush like an effn pansy. Either sign the guy or trade him, it really is that simple. I really believe he will feel like a hero when he resigns Fitz in a week or two to something astronomical once we have lost out on Pace/Faneca/whoever. After seeing what Fitz gets, Dansby will ask for the moon next year and walk, soon followed by Dockett and A-dub and Q.

I guess I need to focus my anger in the right direction.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

(8 rec., 29 yards, 3.9 YPC[!!!!]) that everyone forgets. Anquan Boldin was held under 60 yards receiving in 6 of the 12 games he appeared in last season.

Happened to Fitz twice.

Yeah, and in all of those games he had a bum hip...

 

[Shane]

Yeah, and in all of those games he had a bum hip...

You meant a broken hip and a detached muscle.

 

[Shogun]

No doubt.

Look Boldin is my favorite player. But Fitzgerald has been more productive, and is getting harder, and harder and harder to cover each year. That is just that.

Guys are calling out Fitzgerald game by game last year? ARE F'N KIDDING ME?

Why don't you write up what Boldin did for us game by game ? Let's drag his name through the mud, and put him under the microscope.

Someone wanna say Fitz is making too much $$$ ? FINE.

Someone wanna say we should think about trading him ? FINE.

But dragging his name through the mud, questioning his heart, and down playing the guys AMAZING production is ridiculous and untrue.

Fitzgerald has played his butt off for this team through good and bad. He has played injured, he has looked to improve his game when he was doing fine just relying on ability, and he is a young talented reciever who is getting a bad rap in the press and on this board for reasons I cannot imagine.

It is getting pretty disgusting. IMO

The guy deserves some respect.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Yeah, and in all of those games he had a bum hip...

Really? He was hurt in Week 1 against the 49ers when he had 4 receptions for 22 yards and a long of 7? (5.5 YPC)?

 

[BigRedRage]

Really? He was hurt in Week 1 against the 49ers when he had 4 receptions for 22 yards and a long of 7? (5.5 YPC)?

who did anything in week one? do you remember how much our entire offense sucked that game? Or had you blocked it out until now like me?

 

[DaisyCutter]

who did anything in week one? do you remember how much our entire offense sucked that game? Or had you blocked it out until now like me?

I've actually blocked out everything from that miserable experience. Edge had 92 yards rushing in that game. Ended up being his third-highest total on the season.

Ugh.

 

[Ed Burmila]

It's equal parts amazing and pathetic how quickly you all seem capable of turning on a guy.

Football is football. Business is business. There wasn't a single thread knocking Fitzgerald's heart or performance in 4 years. Now he has an issue on the business side of things and he's a pansy, a quitter, an a-hole, and not really all that important. We can live without him. He's overrated. Etc etc etc.

Seriously, some of you need to put down your 11th beer of the day and get a life rather than sitting down at the keyboard and venting all this rage at the guy. Yes, he's already rich. Every guy on this team is rich. Believe it or not, he's not under any obligation to help Rod Graves out of the stupid deal he offered Larry or to give back any money to help the team. I'm sure all of you regularly offer to take paycuts at work when things get tough around the office.

If you watched the Cardinals last year and came away with any impression other than that Larry was A) the best offensive player on the team and B) the best receiver in football, or at least one of the 2 or 3 best, then I really don't know what to say to you. Maybe football isn't your sport.

There, now you can vent some anger at me and lay off of Larry for a while. Get a grip.

 

[40yearfan]

It's equal parts amazing and pathetic how quickly you all seem capable of turning on a guy.

Football is football. Business is business. There wasn't a single thread knocking Fitzgerald's heart or performance in 4 years. Now he has an issue on the business side of things and he's a pansy, a quitter, an a-hole, and not really all that important. We can live without him. He's overrated. Etc etc etc.

Seriously, some of you need to put down your 11th beer of the day and get a life rather than sitting down at the keyboard and venting all this rage at the guy. Yes, he's already rich. Every guy on this team is rich. Believe it or not, he's not under any obligation to help Rod Graves out of the stupid deal he offered Larry or to give back any money to help the team. I'm sure all of you regularly offer to take paycuts at work when things get tough around the office.

If you watched the Cardinals last year and came away with any impression other than that Larry was A) the best offensive player on the team and B) the best receiver in football, or at least one of the 2 or 3 best, then I really don't know what to say to you. Maybe football isn't your sport.

There, now you can vent some anger at me and lay off of Larry for a while. Get a grip.

Ed, you suck.









Not really, but I couldn't pass up a chance like this.

 

[cardpa]

Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value

Johnson, Chad $2,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,950,000 $2,750,000 $7,615,370
Owens, Terrell $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,000,000 $8,000,000 $9,666,666
Harrison, Marvin $4,000,000 $0 $0 $4,000,000 $8,400,000
Holt, Torry $4,150,000 $0 $1,350,000 $5,500,000 $7,704,714
Wayne, Reggie $3,000,000 $12,500,000 $380,000 $3,380,000 $5,880,000
Driver, Donald $2,700,000 $0 $1,681,720 $4,056,720 $5,748,390
Burress, Plaxico $3,295,000 $5,000,000 $100,000 $3,295,000 $4,925,000
Smith, Steve $1,000,000 $9,300,000 $1,080 $101,301,080 $4,129,852
Moss, Randy $2,500,000 $0 $2,501,560 $3,001,560 $3,001,560


Here is the numbers on what many would consider the top WRs in the NFL.

By the way there are no WRs in the top 25 moneymakers in the NFL.

 

[DaisyCutter]

It's equal parts amazing and pathetic how quickly you all seem capable of turning on a guy.

Football is football. Business is business. There wasn't a single thread knocking Fitzgerald's heart or performance in 4 years. Now he has an issue on the business side of things and he's a pansy, a quitter, an a-hole, and not really all that important. We can live without him. He's overrated. Etc etc etc.

Seriously, some of you need to put down your 11th beer of the day and get a life rather than sitting down at the keyboard and venting all this rage at the guy. Yes, he's already rich. Every guy on this team is rich. Believe it or not, he's not under any obligation to help Rod Graves out of the stupid deal he offered Larry or to give back any money to help the team. I'm sure all of you regularly offer to take paycuts at work when things get tough around the office.

If you watched the Cardinals last year and came away with any impression other than that Larry was A) the best offensive player on the team and B) the best receiver in football, or at least one of the 2 or 3 best, then I really don't know what to say to you. Maybe football isn't your sport.

There, now you can vent some anger at me and lay off of Larry for a while. Get a grip.

 

[nashman]

We have Boldin and Fitz can be replaced for FAR cheaper trade his ass and make the TEAM better. Fitz alone does not make this team better in the long run if it hinders us from bringing in talent to fill holes on this team.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value

Johnson, Chad $2,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,950,000 $2,750,000 $7,615,370
Owens, Terrell $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,000,000 $8,000,000 $9,666,666
Harrison, Marvin $4,000,000 $0 $0 $4,000,000 $8,400,000
Holt, Torry $4,150,000 $0 $1,350,000 $5,500,000 $7,704,714
Wayne, Reggie $3,000,000 $12,500,000 $380,000 $3,380,000 $5,880,000
Driver, Donald $2,700,000 $0 $1,681,720 $4,056,720 $5,748,390
Burress, Plaxico $3,295,000 $5,000,000 $100,000 $3,295,000 $4,925,000
Smith, Steve $1,000,000 $9,300,000 $1,080 $101,301,080 $4,129,852
Moss, Randy $2,500,000 $0 $2,501,560 $3,001,560 $3,001,560


Here is the numbers on what many would consider the top WRs in the NFL.

By the way there are no WRs in the top 25 moneymakers in the NFL.

Great, now post their respective GM's and what they can do vs. Graves.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value

Johnson, Chad $2,500,000 $5,000,000 $1,950,000 $2,750,000 $7,615,370
Owens, Terrell $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,000,000 $8,000,000 $9,666,666
Harrison, Marvin $4,000,000 $0 $0 $4,000,000 $8,400,000
Holt, Torry $4,150,000 $0 $1,350,000 $5,500,000 $7,704,714
Wayne, Reggie $3,000,000 $12,500,000 $380,000 $3,380,000 $5,880,000
Driver, Donald $2,700,000 $0 $1,681,720 $4,056,720 $5,748,390
Burress, Plaxico $3,295,000 $5,000,000 $100,000 $3,295,000 $4,925,000
Smith, Steve $1,000,000 $9,300,000 $1,080 $101,301,080 $4,129,852
Moss, Randy $2,500,000 $0 $2,501,560 $3,001,560 $3,001,560


Here is the numbers on what many would consider the top WRs in the NFL.

By the way there are no WRs in the top 25 moneymakers in the NFL.

If you actually looked at the numbers these guys got in compensation for this year, you'll see that the numbers aren't out of line. Steve Smith got $10.9 million last year. Holt got $9.65 million. T.O. had $13 million in total compensation.

Fitz's contract is working exactly the way that it was designed to. If Fitz breaks out as a deserving draft pick (and he did), then the Cards would give him more money (which they are). It would either be like this, or through the Franchise tag.

If that were the case, we'd be losing Pace and Dansby.