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[Joe Mama]

No, its not SSOL, but to try and run our dribble penetration, ball movement, 3pt offense without Nash who is the offense, is the system, is just stupid.

Do you really think that replacing Nash with Ray Felton or Dragic will allow the Suns to be a similar offensive team? And my point was, what is the point of trying to replicate what we've been doing with Nash, with lesser players than Nash when for the last 2 years the system has yielded nothing but late lotto slots?

We might take a step or two back on offense, but remember that there are two ends to a basketball court. Steve Nash tries on defense, but he allows more penetration than a porno star. Replace him with Dragic, and we are gaining as much or more on defense says we are losing on offense.

I don't understand keeping Steve Nash unless they are going to make some of the really big moves, and I'm really having trouble imagining what those would be realistically.

How much is Deron Williams going to get on a maximum contract? Even if there was a chance in hell would come here I don't understand the logic in spending so much money on somebody who is not a superstar. Doesn't matter anyways. That only saying they will go after him to look like they are trying to make big moves. They know there's no shot.

Joe

 

[Phrazbit]

I think most NBA offenses rely on dribble penetration, ball movement, and three-point shooting. In fact I would say that the Suns are below average in both dribble penetration and ball movement, and not much better than average in three-point shooting.



Of course not, because Felton or Dragic aren't anywhere near the player that Nash is. You might as well ask whether the Thunder could be a similar offensive team with Rashard Lewis instead of Durant.



I don't see the "system," which has evolved from season to season, as being the problem. The problem is a severe lack of talent. Get better players, and the offense will fix itself.

... I was responding to a post which made it seem as though you can simply replace Nash with obviously inferior players, run the exact same offense and the team will somehow improve through this process. I am not arguing that the Suns should keep Nash, I am saying efforts to keep trying the same stuff with inferior players is only going to lead misery.

If you want to argue against that then knock yourself out.

 

[Phrazbit]

We might take a step or two back on offense, but remember that there are two ends to a basketball court. Steve Nash tries on defense, but he allows more penetration than a porno star. Replace him with Dragic, and we are gaining as much or more on defense says we are losing on offense.

You're really selling Nash short... Dragic is not a good defender, and he is nothing like the offensive player Nash is. He has shown flashes but thats it.

I don't understand keeping Steve Nash unless they are going to make some of the really big moves, and I'm really having trouble imagining what those would be realistically.

I agree, the Nash era should end. But attempts to carry over what Nash brought to the team with other players is a bad idea. The Suns need to rebuild in earnest and not throw contracts at middling role players.

How much is Deron Williams going to get on a maximum contract? Even if there was a chance in hell would come here I don't understand the logic in spending so much money on somebody who is not a superstar. Doesn't matter anyways. That only saying they will go after him to look like they are trying to make big moves. They know there's no shot.

Joe

I do think Deron is a superstar. He carried some mediocre Utah rosters to a few 50 win seasons and 2nd round trips. But I also think he must be a real pain to deal with considering how he chased Sloan out of Utah, only to see himself shipped to New Jersey at the drop of a hat. And I also think there is absolutely no shot we get Williams. I'd be very surprised if he does not end up in Dallas.

 

[slinslin]

I don't think Deron Williams will be that sought after. Not many teams will want to sign him to a 5yrs/80M$ contract or something so he will stay in New Jersey even if he says it is not all about the money.

Dallas probably does not even want him. They are interested in Hibbert.

I would have some interest in Brook Lopez because I think he could potentially play at power forward which would give a team incredible length defensively.

Other than that

no players above 24
no players for more than 2 years plus team option
no players that make more than 3-4M$ per year

By the way Steve Nash statistically had one of the best years defensively among all PGs. In terms of production allowed and such he ranked far better than Rondo and co.

 

[elindholm]

... the exact same offense ... I am not arguing that the Suns should keep Nash, I am saying efforts to keep trying the same stuff with inferior players is only going to lead misery.

Yes, I understand, but I think your emphasis is misplaced. The misery will be from having inferior players, not from trying to run an offense based on dribble penetration, ball movement, and three-point shooting.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Steve Nash is gone. Anyone including him in any Suns plans going forward is wasting their time.

 

[Joe Mama]

By the way Steve Nash statistically had one of the best years defensively among all PGs. In terms of production allowed and such he ranked far better than Rondo and co.

Is that based on what the opposing point guard was doing or the player who Steve Nash was actually guarding? Regardless I'm not sure it's really fair to compare those players when Nash is frequently covering the weakest player on the floor while Grant Hill or somebody else is guarding the other team's point guard. I mean I give Steve Nash an A for effort, but he has a lot of trouble keeping people in front of him on defense. He just lacks the physical tools to do it.

If we got a guy with those defensive tools would it be enough to make up for the difference on offense like I said on my previous post? Probably not in a lot of cases... got a little carried away there. But I do think it will help make up for the loss on offense if/when Steve Nash leaves.

Joe

 

[sunsfan88]

Steve Kyler via Twitter...

I can tell you players love the idea of living and playing in Phoenix, so they will get a shot at almost anyone they want.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Steve Kyler via Twitter...

The proof is in the pudding, and we have a ton of money to spend (Fritter away).

 

[Cheesebeef]

By the way Steve Nash statistically had one of the best years defensively among all PGs. In terms of production allowed and such he ranked far better than Rondo and co.

just another reason why you're insistence on using stats to prove all of your theories is ridiculous. Using your measuring stick, Nash is a much better defender than Rondo. That's even more ridiculous than Magic Johnson wasn't a PG.