kerouac9
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Who's our next head coach?
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I thought that it was Wilks that joined him in the lawsuit, which then named Bidwill? Not sure that it makes that much of a difference though.
But outperforming the shitshow situation he has been in
The same Brian Flores that sued the league for racism?
Ya think Mikey B is gonna touch that?? Flores has shown his tendencies and Bidwill has too... Mike would have to be a complete idiot on a self destructive bender to make that move
It was a bit more complicated with him. He was asked to tank and refused
I don’t know, Proteus. The Cards had him in for a head coach-interview a year after he had filed the lawsuit, and wanted him for a second interview (he turned it down). It seems like a lot to do if it was only to comply with the Rooney rule. I think they were genuinely interested.
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Lotsa DCs on that list!
schutd
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Its not your point that was harsh, it was your delivery, king.
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Keim was a 2x Exec of the Year. Sometimes the accolades' shine wears off, and a long term body of work determines someone's true colors. Not that you're wrong with Stefanski, but I don't think winning coach of the year for a loser is the end all be all metric we should look at.
TheCardFan
Things have changed.
Exactly - he filed the lawsuit in 2022 and Cardinals interviewed him in 2023.
In 2023, he was considered one of the finalists and he turned down a second interview because he had a "gut feeling".
Bottom line - I think he would be a great coach. Tough, disciplined, and a winner. However, you have to have an offense and I am not sure what he would do about his staff -they would need to be strong.
kerouac9
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So does performance lie or not? Outperforming what?
maroon
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This is really not a great spot to be hiring a new coach, because the QB draft pool is very shallow, I don't really like any of them so far but I don't pay much attention to it either, unless there is a real certain pick you can go up and get, looking at this from the position to hire a coach who's offensive minded, who really knows what they're doing, it's tough.
TheCardFan
Things have changed.
When this year started and even into week5 or 6, I didn't think there was any way I would want to see Gannon get fired this year. That has completely changed.
The real question for us - who is going to be able to coach on the level of the NFC West?
Not sure why I am leaning so much toward Flores right now but seems like he is the guy to disrupt the offenses of McVay and Shanahan while bringing the defensive intensity of Macdonald.
The real question for us - who is going to be able to coach on the level of the NFC West?
Not sure why I am leaning so much toward Flores right now but seems like he is the guy to disrupt the offenses of McVay and Shanahan while bringing the defensive intensity of Macdonald.
Thanks for the reality check!
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I will play the devil's advocate real quick because I think this is the argument for Stefanski.
He was 37-30 4 years into his HC stint in a division with Tomlin's history of competitiveness, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. His offense also had never been worse than 20th in pts scored and 18th in yards. Once Watson's contract got expensive, the roster deteriorated and it has led to what is likely back to back 3 win seasons. He is still only 43. He also has ties to Bill Callahan for the offensive line and potentially, Brian Callahan to run the offense. This would provide a significant increase in experience in offensive coaching. He also uses a TE which is important for this franchise with McBride.
So, if you think you are buying the guy from the first 4 years, it makes sense. If you think he is burnt out and figured out as this year and last year seem to show...then I get passing on him.
GatorAZ
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Stefanski had a great thing going until Haslam blew it with the OBJ and Watson trades. This was a franchise that went 1-31 in b2b seasons. You can tell he’s being undermined cause there’s no way he wanted Dillon Gabriel or Shedeur Sanders as his QB. If he gets fired his first call should be from Bidwill.
Totally_Red
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Could do a lot worse than Stefanski and probably will.
kerouac9
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The upside is no one really identified McDonald to be what he is. We as fans don’t really have enough information to know one way or another.
Guess how many times he won the division in those four years and how many times he finished third or last?
People forget that the AFC was cheeks during his his period.
netsnjkidd
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Same. Flores, is type that winning is the only option. He would bring that discipline hard nosed type culture. All these potential offensive coaches none have that draw Ben Johnson had. It would seem to be just hiring offensive coach just because his offensive coach not that they have potential to be one of best coaches in our division.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I don't feel like I understand your comment here. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Jackson all around at that time. Also, I don't know that I am willing to turn my nose up at two 11 win seasons.
I, personally, don't know how I feel about Stefanski as a potential HC other than I don't love it, but I also feel like you could do a lot worse.
The Browns traded three 1sts, two 4ths, and a 3rd for Deshaun Watson, and then gave Watson 230 million with every penny guaranteed (uncutable). Watson then proceeded to play like one of the worst QBs of all time. They took a swing on a QB and missed in the worst way possible. That trade will still be effecting their roster even 5 years from now.
A guy like Stefanski will be undervalued because of his record, but he's a good coach and the closest thing to a Vrabel in this cycle. Vrabel finished his time in Tennessee with 2 losing seasons and fans calling for his head, yet he was a fantastic coach the entire time. A lot of fans dont want to admit it, but you can have the best coaches in the league and still lose if the roster situation is bad. The way free agency/the draft work you can't reliably fix a bungled roster quickly.
A great coach can't fix everything, all of them will have losing seasons. Football is a zero sum game, and a lot of what goes into a winning season is out of the control of the coach/front office. Ultimately that is good for us. That means good, experienced coaches will be discarded by bad, impatient organizations.
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kerouac9
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Burrow wasn’t around for that first 11 win season, and the second 11-win season was fraudulent because they played the pupu platter of NFC West (2-2) and AFC South (4-0) plus fourth-place opponents from the prior year. Every team in the AFC North had a winning record that year.
Stefanski is obviously and self-evidently a better coach than Gannon. But he’s exactly the same as Mike McCarthy. Stefanski couldn’t build anything permanent in Cleveland with richers but equally meddlesome ownership; why would he be able to do so here with the Bidwill, M.?
Take wild swings on potential greatness at QB and HC and you might pay off eventually. Aim to his doubles you’re going to get dragged into the mud by the anchor of bad ownership.
Well. Keim developed an alcohol problem so it’s hardly relatable
kerouac9
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Brian Daboll was 2022 coach of the year. Matt Nagy was 2018 coach of the year. Ron Rivera was a 2x Coach of the Year.
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You never know what a Bidwill might do, but there will be lot of posters on this board who are going to be pissed when JG is back next year. As he should be. With all the injuries, there is no way that JG can be rightly judged. I’d be fine if Petzing is sent packing, but I’m not even sure that will happen. The OL & DL coaches will be gone. Maybe a few others. But, MOJG will be given another year. Count on it.
