Who's our next head coach?

[oaken1]

I would take a shot with Kubiak. He is a legacy...dad wasn't great,...that usually bodes well for the son...

And Kubiak is technically Shanahan tree...
But then similar to how we did with klifford I would hire an exe HC as DC... maybe even a guy like McCarthy...
Might even grab an experienced OC... maybe not an exe HC but a guy who has 5 years of NFL OC work under his belt.

I love the idea of a young unproven HC...but they still have to develop, and they need the right tools around them to develop properly.

But...bringing in an entire virgin leadership staff was a huge fuggin mistake

 

[speedy]

They say an NFL franchise is a business.

The cardinal organization is bottom 5 in that market. I’d even say they’re the worst, since many of the other current bottom 5 have had some decent success to point to since their inception. Outside of the one Super Bowl and some good years with BA, this franchise has been straight dog ish.

I personally think this franchise is doomed to failure no matter what, but if they want any chance at success, they’ll have to spend the money to bring in a proven HC.

But the main problem will continue to be the Bidwill family.

The whole org is one big scam IMO.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

They say an NFL franchise is a business.

The cardinal organization is bottom 5 in that market. I’d even say they’re the worst, since many of the other current bottom 5 have had some decent success to point to since their inception. Outside of the one Super Bowl and some good years with BA, this franchise has been straight dog ish.

I personally think this franchise is doomed to failure no matter what, but if they want any chance at success, they’ll have to spend the money to bring in a proven HC.

But the main problem will continue to be the Bidwill family.

The whole org is one big scam IMO.

Just as it is refreshing to see what a different QB can do behind center after 7 years of spinning our wheels, it would be great to see this franchise run by a different owner/ownership group after plenty of years of mostly spinning its wheels.

 

[kerouac9]

They say an NFL franchise is a business.

I mean it is, but in business terms (p/l, ebidta) it’s probably very healthy.

An NFL franchise is not a business because if you’re not successful in the business world you get bought or sold or the board demands leadership changes.

 

[speedy]

I mean it is, but in business terms (p/l, ebidta) it’s probably very healthy.

An NFL franchise is not a business because if you’re not successful in the business world you get bought or sold or the board demands leadership changes.

Ok. Who’s the board in this equation?

I’m not denying the cardinals are a profitable business- they most certainly are (they only spent 80/500 million on the stadium; still burns my ass).

In big business terms, the CFO has always done a swell job for the ownership group (who? Mike? Nicole? Bill jr?), but the COO and CEO are complete ass.

The only thing that keeps them afloat is a growing market in MC, new fan ignorance syndrome, and whatever hope that “one day…”

They have a long history of BS…

They nickel and dime players giving away t-shirts/socks/shorts/whatever (the bill gets tallied up and due at the end of the season, which is pretty much ALWAYS the very beginning of January.

When contract negotiations hit any sort of arbitration, they launch a media campaign against the athlete/coach.

I can tell you first hand Michael B is a douche nozzle with local government affairs… wants AJs fine foods at food city pricing. Entitled POS imo.

My point was: this franchise is doomed. I love the game, I support the team/players, but I’m just fine watching the game from home and sippin on grocery store bought drinks.

The ONLY hope for this franchise would be another BA type guy, or someone with real snuff and know how throughout the league…

But even then, as we’ve seen, the organization tends to run those guys off, or they flat out rebuke the offer…

Mikey B reminds me of the Pee-wee Herman big adventure antagonist Francis. I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’m closer to 80% right than totally wrong.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would take a shot with Kubiak. He is a legacy...dad wasn't great,...that usually bodes well for the son...

And Kubiak is technically Shanahan tree...
But then similar to how we did with klifford I would hire an exe HC as DC... maybe even a guy like McCarthy...
Might even grab an experienced OC... maybe not an exe HC but a guy who has 5 years of NFL OC work under his belt.

I love the idea of a young unproven HC...but they still have to develop, and they need the right tools around them to develop properly.

But...bringing in an entire virgin leadership staff was a huge fuggin mistake

Wasn't that Gannon?

 

[oaken1]

Wasn't that Gannon?

it was..and it is,...except JG didnt get those tools...he was allowed to sign a staff with all virgin coordinators.
a young first time HC needs someone who has been there..experienced.. like kliff got...preferably at least one guy with HC experience..but at the very least, coordinators that already know how to be NFL coordinators...without that whats to keep him from spreading himself too thin?? Or just playing the role of what he "thinks" a HC is instead of really knowing what that is.

 

[daves]

it was..and it is,...except JG didnt get those tools...he was allowed to sign a staff with all virgin coordinators.
a young first time HC needs someone who has been there..experienced.. like kliff got...preferably at least one guy with HC experience..but at the very least, coordinators that already know how to be NFL coordinators...without that whats to keep him from spreading himself too thin?? Or just playing the role of what he "thinks" a HC is instead of really knowing what that is.

Dunno about the "was allowed to" part. I recall interviews with Gannon after he was hired where he talked about compiling lists of guys he'd like to have on his staff if he got a shot as a HC. I think Petzing and Rallis were the guys he wanted.

And until things came off the rails this year, they were looking like promising up-and-coming coordinators. Petzing got a HC interview!

 

[Chopper0080]

NFL coaching carousel: Top candidates to watch for 2026 cycle

A pair of NFL head coaching jobs are already open, with both the Tennessee Titans and New York Giants making in-season changes. As frustrations mount heading into the stretch run, a number of other fan bases are hoping their teams follow suit.Let's check in on the most notable hot-seat...

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This is a good reference list for any who want to look. It highlights that what look to be the best candidates are mostly defense guys.

If someone could land a Salah/Mike McDaniels combo, I think they would getting a good duo.

Flores/McCown is probably viable as well.

Jesse Minter will get some Harbaugh / Mike McDonald glow.

Chris Shula has spent the past 8 seasons learning under McVay.

 

[Mickdog]

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[daves]

Flores/McCown

I was just thinking that after a couple years as QB coach under KOC, McCown might be ready for an OC gig with the team that drafted him.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[Cheesebeef]

Why in the world does anyone think Josh McCown deserves an OC job… especially one where he might be working hand in hand with a rookie high pick QB? Did he earn that from his amazing work with the absolutely atrocious Bryce Young and JJ McCarthy under his watch?

Or because Darnold had a career resurrection in one year with him there, where there was already a great offensive mind running the team?

 

[kerouac9]

Why in the world does anyone think Josh McCown deserves an OC job… especially one where he might be working hand in hand with a rookie high pick QB? Did he earn that from his amazing work with the absolutely atrocious Bryce Young and JJ McCarthy under his watch?

Or because Darnold had a career resurrection in one year with him there, where there was already a great offensive mind running the team?

Because the Texans terrible owner and former GM lined for him. He was a mild name for a while.

We as fans don’t really know what it takes to be a good playcaller in the NFL.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because the Texans terrible owner and former GM lined for him. He was a mild name for a while.

We as fans don’t really know what it takes to be a good playcaller in the NFL.

I know at least multiple years of success should be the bar minimum at the position they previously coached… especially if we’re talking about working for a franchise like this who will be in charge of developing a likely rookie QB.

 

[daves]

Why in the world does anyone think Josh McCown deserves an OC job… especially one where he might be working hand in hand with a rookie high pick QB?

I'm not pounding the table for him, but:

(a) he's learned a wide variety of offensive systems as a player

(b) for years late in his career he was brought in or kept on teams' rosters because he was a good mentor for their younger QBs

(c) he's had two years to learn from KOC, who's considered one of the great offensive minds and a QB whisperer, and who has trusted McCown to be his QB coach

(d) the Cardinals are probably going to have a hard time luring a top candidate from within the division, but McCown might be partial to returning to Arizona.

Someone suggested a Flores HC - McCown OC combo and I just thought it sounded like a promising possibility.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not pounding the table for him, but:

(a) he's learned a wide variety of offensive systems as a player

(b) for years late in his career he was brought in or kept on teams' rosters because he was a good mentor for their younger QBs

(c) he's had two years to learn from KOC, who's considered one of the great offensive minds and a QB whisperer, and who has trusted McCown to be his QB coach

(d) the Cardinals are probably going to have a hard time luring a top candidate from within the division, but McCown might be partial to returning to Arizona.

Someone suggested a Flores HC - McCown OC combo and I just thought it sounded like a promising possibility.

I’m guessing absolutely no one outside of die hard cardinals fans would even know who McCown is much less consider him a promising OC hire in any way once they see the majority of his work as a coach has been an abomination with two of the worst young QBs recently.

 

[DVontel]

Klint Kubiak

Or

Chris Shula(I’d prefer not go DC though)

Someone that’s in the division already.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I'm not pounding the table for him, but:

(a) he's learned a wide variety of offensive systems as a player

(b) for years late in his career he was brought in or kept on teams' rosters because he was a good mentor for their younger QBs

(c) he's had two years to learn from KOC, who's considered one of the great offensive minds and a QB whisperer, and who has trusted McCown to be his QB coach

(d) the Cardinals are probably going to have a hard time luring a top candidate from within the division, but McCown might be partial to returning to Arizona.

Someone suggested a Flores HC - McCown OC combo and I just thought it sounded like a promising possibility.

Flores has basically said no, twice, to AZ. I honestly don't think he even wants to be a HC again, until he's had his day in court vs the NFL, or has received a massive settlement. He doesn't want to do anything to impact that lawsuit.

I'm down with someone like McCown...and I think people outside of AZ would know who he is, for sure. Fans and coaches really liked him in Chicago, Cleveland and NY.

I would definitely trust him over someone like Kafka.

JMO

 

[Chopper0080]

Klint Kubiak

Or

Chris Shula(I’d prefer not go DC though)

Someone that’s in the division already.

Kubiak, Shula and Salah are all decent options.

 

[Gandhi]

Klint Kubiak

Or

Chris Shula(I’d prefer not go DC though)

Someone that’s in the division already.

My problem with Shula is that both Brandon Staley and Raheem Morris - the two Rams DC preceding Shula - have been bad head coaches. Not that it necessarily excludes Shula, but I think it is worth thinking about.

 

[kerouac9]

My problem with Shula is that both Brandon Staley and Raheem Morris - the two Rams DC preceding Shula - have been bad head coaches. Not that it necessarily excludes Shula, but I think it is worth thinking about.

Raheem Morris was a bad head coach before tho

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I’m extremely jealous of the bears. Ben Johnson is him.

 

[Phrazbit]

If I am Salah, and I've got one more shot at being a HC, and having just dealt with Woody Johnson, the Cardinals would be a hard pass.

 

[Mulli]

I’m extremely jealous of the bears. Ben Johnson is him.

HIM.