Who’s our next qb?

[Card'em]

Very Cardinalesque you might say.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Indy is paying him $44 million next year to probably only play the second half of the season and coming back from an Achilles tear.

He's expected to be ready for training camp. Achilles isn't as long as ACL.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

That would be the reach of all reaches.

Unless he works out as a long-term solution as QB. Then it would have been worth it.

 

[PDXChris]

He's expected to be ready for training camp. Achilles isn't as long as ACL.

An Achilles rupture is absolutely longer than a ACL. Also, there is no way to say he will be ready by training camp this early and for sure won't feel comfortable running at first. The only one longer is a patellar tendon rupture.

Recovery Time
The recovery time for an Achilles rupture is typically longer than that for an ACL tear. While both injuries require extensive rehabilitation, the Achilles tendon is a more complex structure, and the recovery process can take longer. The exact recovery time depends on the extent of the injury and whether surgery is needed.

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jones will face a 9-to-12-month recovery from the injury. The shorter end of that timeline would give the Duke product a chance to return in early September ahead of the 2026 season; a longer recovery would potentially sideline him for most of the campaign.

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[RON_IN_OC]

An Achilles rupture is absolutely longer than a ACL. Also, there is no way to say he will be ready by training camp this early and for sure won't feel comfortable running at first. The only one longer is a patellar tendon rupture.

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Latest update on when Colts' Daniel Jones could return from injury

One NFL insider provided an injury update on Colts' QB Daniel Jones and when he could return to action.

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Colts sign Daniel Jones to record-breaking contract as he recovers from Achilles injury: reports

Colts reportedly sign Daniel Jones to a two-year, $88 million contract worth up to $100 million, making it the largest two-year deal in NFL history.

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[Denny Green Fan]

That would be teh reach of all reaches.

Yeah I think it’s o line then we trade up for Simpson….

 

[azgreg]

Yeah I think it’s o line then we trade up for Simpson….

If that's the plan they better trade up before 16th because I think the Jets want him there.

 

[Totally_Red]

If that's the plan they better trade up before 16th because I think the Jets want him there.

Costs too much. Would likely cost next year's first.

 

[azgreg]

Costs too much. Would likely cost next year's first.

That's a reason why I'm not in favor of trading back into the first round.

 

[slanidrac16]

I hope I'm wrong, but I've got this feeling that the Cards are gonna pull a shocker and pick Ty Simpson at #3. If we start hearing how much LaFleur likes the kid and people start talking about him going in the first half of round one...look out.

They won’t have to. They could ( and will) trade down for a bunch of picks. Probably trade down as far as 20. One of them could be for Simpson and the other for a number of positions.

 

[Phrazbit]

I hope I'm wrong, but I've got this feeling that the Cards are gonna pull a shocker and pick Ty Simpson at #3. If we start hearing how much LaFleur likes the kid and people start talking about him going in the first half of round one...look out.

I can see it now.

We trade back, take Simpson 10th, we win 3 games, Simpson is putrid, we're ready to move on, trade him for a 4th round pick. We look to draft Arch Manning #1 and he refuses to play here.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I can see it now.

We trade back, take Simpson 10th, we win 3 games, Simpson is putrid, we're ready to move on, trade him for a 4th round pick. We look to draft Arch Manning #1 and he refuses to play here.

It's "The Way"

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I can see it now.

We trade back, take Simpson 10th, we win 3 games, Simpson is putrid, we're ready to move on, trade him for a 4th round pick. We look to draft Arch Manning #1 and he refuses to play here.

We wouldn't have gotten Eli to play here.
We couldn't get Peyton to play here.
We shouldn't even consider Arch.

 

[Harry]

I hope I'm wrong, but I've got this feeling that the Cards are gonna pull a shocker and pick Ty Simpson at #3. If we start hearing how much LaFleur likes the kid and people start talking about him going in the first half of round one...look out.

If they do there won’t be any further talk about it from them. I expect they’d try to trade down and try to get him. They couldn’t tip their hand in case someone else wanted him.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

If they do there won’t be any further talk about it from them. I expect they’d try to trade down and try to get him. They couldn’t tip their hand in case someone else wanted him.

Would Dallas give us 12 and 20? They may want Reece as a parsons replacement…and Jerry loves a splash…we get Simpson at 12 before jets….then offensive tackle and d line at 34

 

[slanidrac16]

Would Dallas give us 12 and 20? They may want Reece as a parsons replacement…and Jerry loves a splash…we get Simpson at 12 before jets….then offensive tackle and d line at 34

Perfect scenario. I could Dallas going after Reese , Downs or even Love.

 

[Gandhi]

Kind of strange how many fans think they can just decide to trade down, no matter what other teams want. We all know how it works, and I am not sure there is anyone that others want to trade up for. Maybe Reese.

Since the thread is about quarterbacks, I would not be shocked if Cardinals and Vikings made sort of a non-trade trade where Murray goes there and McCarthy comes to the Cards. He was awful last season, but it’s not like he is broken beyond repair, and his style of playing is a good fit in LaFleur’s (presumed) offense. Would be sort of an attempt of redemption.

It’s just that they are handling the QB situation very weird. That is likely just because of incompetence, but I do wonder if there is something else coming. Most likely that feeling is because I want it to be that way, though.

 

[BritCard]

I think people are being completely unrealistic about how Brissett performed last year, based on results when he was playing with half his receiving corps, an O-line that contained second and third stringers most of the time and no running back room, plus a defense that was heavily injured and went completely downhill after week ten.

Aah, so I pulled quarterback stats for the last ten seasons to compare. This first table is purely based on passer rating. As passer rating is already a composite stat based on various other statistics, it's a fair, or at least the most reasonably accurate indicator we have of performance that's levelized across all QBs.

Rank	Season	QB	Games	Pass Yds/G	Pass TD/G	INT/G	Rush Yds/G	Rush TD/G	Passer Rating
1	2021	Kyler Murray	14	270.5	1.71	0.71	30.2	0.36	100.6
2	2020	Kyler Murray	16	248.2	1.63	0.75	51.2	0.69	94.3
3	2025	Jacoby Brissett	14	240.4	1.64	0.57	12.0	0.07	94.1
4	2024	Kyler Murray	17	226.5	1.24	0.65	33.6	0.29	93.5
5	2023	Kyler Murray	8	224.9	1.25	0.63	30.5	0.38	89.4
6	2019	Kyler Murray	16	234.5	1.25	0.75	33.7	0.25	87.7
7	2016	Carson Palmer	15	282.2	1.73	0.93	2.5	0.00	87.2
8	2022	Kyler Murray	11	215.3	1.27	0.64	38.0	0.27	87.2
9	2017	Carson Palmer	7	282.6	1.29	1.00	1.7	0.00	84.4
10	2018	Josh Rosen	14	162.7	0.79	1.00	9.9	0.00	66.7

I figured some people might have an issue with just using the rating, so try to incorporate rushing yards as well and use ANY/A as the predominant weight.
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Rank	Season	QB	Composite	ANY/A	Rating	TD%	INT%	Rush value/G
1	2021	Kyler Murray	92.3	6.90	100.6	4.99%	2.08%	37.4
2	2020	Kyler Murray	84.5	6.45	94.3	4.66%	2.15%	64.9
3	2025	Jacoby Brissett	76.2	6.02	94.1	4.74%	1.65%	13.4
4	2024	Kyler Murray	73.2	6.23	93.5	3.88%	2.03%	39.5
5	2023	Kyler Murray	65.6	5.79	89.4	3.73%	1.87%	38.0
6	2016	Carson Palmer	61.4	6.03	87.2	4.36%	2.35%	2.5
7	2019	Kyler Murray	59.8	5.63	87.7	3.71%	2.23%	38.7
8	2022	Kyler Murray	58.0	5.16	87.2	3.59%	1.79%	43.5
9	2017	Carson Palmer	48.5	5.86	84.4	3.37%	2.62%	1.7
10	2018	Josh Rosen	1.3	3.53	66.7	2.80%	3.56%	9.9

Weighting formula​

Composite score = 0.35 × ANY/A score + 0.25 × Passer Rating score + 0.15 × TD% score + 0.15 × INT% score (inverted) + 0.10 × Rush Value/Game score

Under both methods, the top three stay the same. Kyler's 2021 season is the best, followed by his 2020 season, with Brissett in third place both times.

I know what JB is. It's certainly not the future of this team, but I think it's unfair to write off what happened last year, considering what he had to work with. I thought he played well; many others here think he played well. Under the circumstances, with no good options in the free agent market, I think it's completely reasonable to go with Brissett again and see what he can do with a healthy roster, an upgraded O-line, and a healthy defence.

Now I know there will be three or four people who will want to reply to this with the laughing emoji. Go ahead, but if you do, explain why you disagree and what do you not like about stats.

 

[kerouac9]

The stats are what they are because we had no running game.

Brissett is what his record says he is. You don’t get extra wins because you completed some passes and scored some TDs once you were down 17.

That’s why his QBR (an actual stat that takes game situations and rushing into account) was 41.2.

It’s much more likely that Brissett’s 2025 counting stats are an outlier than he’s become Geno Smith or something at age 33.

Add in a new offensive regime and you wonder why you should expect any carryover at all.

 

[BritCard]

The stats are what they are because we had no running game.

Brissett is what his record says he is. You don’t get extra wins because you completed some passes and scored some TDs once you were down 17.

That’s why his QBR (an actual stat that takes game situations and rushing into account) was 41.2.

It’s much more likely that Brissett’s 2025 counting stats are an outlier than he’s become Geno Smith or something at age 33.

Add in a new offensive regime and you wonder why you should expect any carryover at all.

No running game only effects the volume, not the quality. Volume isn't accounted for in passer rating, and is accounted for in TD%, INT%, ANY/A and a bunch of other metrics there, which you can clearly see compare well to other QB's in other seasons.

If anything the no running game makes them more impressive because he was able to do that with defenses knowing we were passing and setting up for it.

Nobody is saying he he Geno Smith. Everyone has been very clear they know what JB is but they don't see a better option.

 

[BritCard]

Just for fun, here it is with Kirk Cousins last 2 seasons.

Rank	Season	QB	Composite	ANY/A	Rating	TD%	INT%	Rush value/G
1	2021	Kyler Murray	92.4	6.90	100.6	4.99%	2.08%	37.4
2	2020	Kyler Murray	84.5	6.45	94.3	4.66%	2.15%	64.9
3	2025	Jacoby Brissett	76.4	6.02	94.1	4.74%	1.65%	13.4
4	2024	Kyler Murray	73.3	6.23	93.5	3.88%	2.03%	39.5
5	2023	Kyler Murray	65.7	5.79	89.4	3.73%	1.87%	38.0
6	2016	Carson Palmer	61.7	6.03	87.2	4.36%	2.35%	2.5
7	2019	Kyler Murray	59.9	5.63	87.7	3.71%	2.23%	38.7
8	2022	Kyler Murray	58.1	5.16	87.2	3.59%	1.79%	43.5
9	2025	Kirk Cousins	56.3	5.73	84.8	3.72%	1.86%	2.7
10	2024	Kirk Cousins	51.4	6.13	88.6	3.97%	3.53%	0.0
11	2017	Carson Palmer	48.8	5.86	84.4	3.37%	2.62%	1.7
12	2018	Josh Rosen	1.5	3.53	66.7	2.80%	3.56%	9.9

 

[kerouac9]

Nobody is saying he he Geno Smith. Everyone has been very clear they know what JB is but they don't see a better option.

I’m not clear what you think Brissett is. Because this exercise says you think he’s as good as Kyler Murray at his best. That’s obviously absurd.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I know it’s rare to trade within the division, but I hope Monti has at least kicked the tires on a possible trade for Mack Jones. Maybe offer a 3rd and Brissett. The Niners are going to lose Jones after this year. The Cards 3rd is basically a late 2nd rounder. To me, Jones is a starter who just needed some time. He is big (6’3” and 220 lbs) and throws a very catchable ball. He is also kind of quirky but that is ok. I would much rather give him a chance than reach for a QB in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

I know it’s rare to trade within the division, but I hope Monti has at least kicked the tires on a possible trade for Mack Jones. Maybe offer a 3rd and Brissett. The Niners are going to lose Jones after this year. The Cards 3rd is basically a late 2nd rounder. To me, Jones is a starter who just needed some time. He is big (6’3” and 220 lbs) and throws a very catchable ball. He is also kind of quirky but that is ok. I would much rather give him a chance than reach for a QB in the draft.

Reports have been that San Fran is asking for the Sun and the moon for Jones.

If they lose him next year they likely get a 3rd round comp pick for him.

I don’t want to make a long-term investment in Mack Jones.

 

[Cardinal88]

With over 35 years of accounting/finance history, I have found that we can spin numbers to get the story we want to tell.

That being said, I am all for Brissett being a starter for the simple fact that he at least made the passing game entertaining. As you said, he did this with an OL with 2nd and 3rd team o-linemen (some would argue they are practice guys at best). If we have a balanced attack, he can still sling the ball well enough to help win. To score, you need a good running game and with Conner returning with the addition of Allgiere, we will have plenty of options when we get into the red zone. A key element in being productive.

Again though, our team is not very deep so we have to avoid the injury bug to stay competitive.

I'll add one more thing... I did not like Brissett's decision making towards the end of some games. Not sure why he did some of the things he did like going for a long bomb rather than a first down when it was 4th down. Those decisions need to stop for the Cards to have any hope (unless the guy is wide open and he better not miss him).