What is the plan?

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  1. boisesuns

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    we seem to have drafted a few solid guys (others are iffy) and have something to build on, but we are still a long ways away from even the playoffs.

    Will we have to keep nailing the draft? Will we finally convince a decent free agent to sign here? How will this turn around?

    I don’t have a lot of confidence in them continuing to have enough drafting ability to develop a team, and I’m not sure some game changing free agent would ever sign with the suns anytime soon.

    It seems like the suns usually miss prospects every couple drafts, and sign free agent left overs.
     
  2. AzStevenCal

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    Right now the greatest need besides a player or two is simply time. And the worst thing is there's no guarantee that time will solve our problems but we won't know until these guys have matured some. We're in a tough spot to say the least.
     
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    Faults aside, Booker and Ayton are a good start.

    They need a point guard to make things happen. My top targets would be Kemba Walker (unlikely, but you never now) in free agency and Jrue Holiday (if Davis moves on) via trade. As a backup, I'd try to get one of the Nets two guys or hope Rubio is somewhat reasonably priced. I'm also high on Morant.

    In addition, I'd do everything I could to get a power forward who can both space the floor and protect the rim. These guys are hard to find, but I don't need him to be a big scorer or a star; just someone who can augment Ayton's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

    My Keepers: Booker, Ayton, and Bridges

    Guys I'd Like to Keep Around: Oubre, Jackson and Holmes

    Trade Options: Warren (and Jackson if value presents itself)

    Everyone else is fairly irrelevant. It would be nice if Melton or Okobo develops, but I'm not counting on it.

    I know it's a trending take, but I agree it is time to get value for Warren. He's a really good player, but not a good fit with our stars.

     
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    I'm assuming a large part of that low net rating for Warren is that he makes for a third player that is bad on defense? You would think offensively he would do pretty well with those two in the lineup, but I can understand the poor fit defensively. Warren is certainly our highest value wing out of him, Oubre and JJ (has the best combination of stats and contract situation) and thus he would be the most likely to net us a solid return.
     
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    Exactly, we are currently trying to compete with a whole bunch of guys that won't even enter their prime for another 3-5 years. It will be vital next year that we have at least a couple solid veterans in their prime added to this roster (to include a PG obviously) if we have any hopes of becoming a winning team anytime soon.
     
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    I think defense is a big part of it. Also, he is not a willing passer, which means when he is in alongside two other big scorers other players are less involved and the ball moves less. He's also stuck playing power forward a lot, which means we are undersized every time he is in the game. I guess that's pretty much true all the time though.

    What it comes down to for me is that this team is still built like an accumulation of assets rather than as a functioning team. You have two offensive-minded stars...That means everyone else needs to be defensive-minded and a willing passer.

    Warren is fantastic in certain areas and very lacking in others. Unfortunately, the things he is lacking in make him a bad fit for this roster; not to mention the fact that 3 of his 5 best teammates play his natural position and are a better fit.
     
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    Maybe but I think it's more that when he's not engaged offensively (which happens far too often) he brings nothing else to the table. He can be shut down on the perimeter by a mediocre defender and they can help off of him with little concern when he's in zombie mode.
     
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    If he can't net us a good PG than maybe he could net us a good 3&D PF. We could use the size down low on defense and on the boards and a player that is more catch and shoot minded on offense.
     
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    Yeah. The good thing is that I don't think I'm being a homer when I say he should have good value to the right team. He's a fantastic scorer and has now developed a three point shot. He's on an excellent contract. I could see him being a huge asset for several teams...the Suns are just not one of them unfortunately.
     
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    If Warren goes to another team we are going to see him explode because he will fit within an offensive scheme and play even better with a point guard. I think I would rather use a draft pick other than the Suns current first round pick.
     
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    I think it's okay if he looks great elsewhere as long as the Suns improve. Just because he can make another team better, that doesn't mean there's an easy path to hi making the Suns better.
     
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    Time or waiting is not a plan. This team will implode before it develops as currently constructed. Booker is already yelling at the coach on tv. If this garbage continues Igor will completely lose the team if he hasn't already.

    We cannot go into next season with a pissed Booker, a demoralized Ayton and a coach who has lost his team. Bold moves are needed and needed fast.

    Based on this seasons play signing an average PG and drafting another project is not going to cut it.
     
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    If the right trade is there I'm not opposed to doing it. However, the Suns should realize he is going to be very good player for an opposing team (as he can be for the Suns) within the right coaching scheme.

    I can only imagine him on a Rockets or Warriors team.
     

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