What’s up with PR?

[Dan H]

A) A mod literally asked for the arguments in favor of its value.

B) If this was only a hobby of the site owner I could see your point. But this is a business. When your business is driven by people frequenting your cite you pretty much HAVE to seek your clientele’s opinion or, well, you’re just a bad businessman.

C) I think it’s weird that the people who keep building arguments like this, and to shut down P&R all seem to be right leaning.

Not my position at all. I personally hope it’s reopened, but I’m also cognizant of all the arguments against it.

 

[Lorenzo]

Okay...but that has zero to do with their 8 party system...or 12 party..or whatever it is

and if you went back today you may find that statement no longer true. I have a couple friends over there that complain about traffic issues more than I do

I was joking about the roads. Their politics are as bad as ours, maybe just a little more educated by their standards. For example, their version of MTG is probably smarter, but probably still believes in the Anglican Church so I don’t know what the difference is at the end of the day.

As for driving it depends where you are at. If you drive in and around London it is chaos. But you can take trains. Anywhere else is ok, even their larger towns are not bad because people pass in the correct lanes. They will tailgate you a lot worse than we do here, if you drive the limit or slower in the passing lane. but the bad part is they have a lot of “road works” throughout their country. We have that in common. And some of their projects are worse than ours. They also use speed cameras in most areas. Thankfully in Suffolk county where I lived, it was easy to drive and speed cameras were sparser there. The roundabouts were also fun.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think I have heard most of the right thinking folks say that they want it reopened.

The rules however..... are not our decision. We can hope all we want. They get to decide, and I am comfortable with that.

 

[oaken1]

I was joking about the roads. Their politics are as bad as ours, maybe just a little more educated by their standards. For example, their version of MTG is probably smarter, but probably still believes in the Anglican Church so I don’t know what the difference is at the end of the day.

As for driving it depends where you are at. If you drive in and around London it is chaos. But you can take trains. Anywhere else is ok, even their larger towns are not bad because people pass in the correct lanes. They will tailgate you a lot worse than we do here, if you drive the limit or slower in the passing lane. but the bad part is they have a lot of “road works” throughout their country. We have that in common. And some of their projects are worse than ours. They also use speed cameras in most areas. Thankfully in Suffolk county where I lived, it was easy to drive and speed cameras were sparser there. The roundabouts were also fun.

Living for an extended time in another country is something I had always wanted to do. Best I have managed is about 5 weeks or so.
But I wouldnt ever do England. I have met tons of really cool Brits and English...even more Scots...I dont know if its a result of my Native genetics or perhaps some type of failure(?) in my nurturing...but there is a strong side of me that resents them a bit and deep down wishes they would come back and collect up their damned colonists.... until they do that we just dont really need to be friends.

 

[TJ]

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I can make anything an argument lol

 

[Lorenzo]

Living for an extended time in another country is something I had always wanted to do. Best I have managed is about 5 weeks or so.
But I wouldnt ever do England. I have met tons of really cool Brits and English...even more Scots...I dont know if its a result of my Native genetics or perhaps some type of failure(?) in my nurturing...but there is a strong side of me that resents them a bit and deep down wishes they would come back and collect up their damned colonists.... until they do that we just dont really need to be friends.

My favorite countries I visited in Europe were Greece and then Spain. I found them both to be super chill and I spent about 1-2 weeks in both. But the cool thing about living in England is you can communicate with people and it’s easy to travel around Europe from there. And they are nice there, so long as you are nice to them. The language barriers in mainland are a problem if you are staying long term. You have to learn the language or you are going to get lonely very quickly.

 

[oaken1]

My favorite countries I visited in Europe were Greece and then Spain. I found them both to be super chill and I spent about 1-2 weeks in both. But the cool thing about living in England is you can communicate with people and it’s easy to travel around Europe from there. And they are nice there, so long as you are nice to them. The language barriers in mainland are a problem if you are staying long term. You have to learn the language or you are going to get lonely very quickly.

I'm good with languages with immersion.
Took German for a month in 82 and still have the basics...spent a long weekend in Martinique in 86 and by Sunday was speaking only French...spent the entire day without being misunderstood...but three weeks or so after I left I barely knew ten words, lol...
I imagine if I went over there for months I would pick it up pretty quick

 

[Lorenzo]

I'm good with languages with immersion.
Took German for a month in 82 and still have the basics...spent a long weekend in Martinique in 86 and by Sunday was speaking only French...spent the entire day without being misunderstood...but three weeks or so after I left I barely knew ten words, lol...
I imagine if I went over there for months I would pick it up pretty quick

good on you for that. it's a game changer. I wish I had done that in Korea. I spent 2 years there and learned about 2 words. one of my regrets from my time there is I didn't at least learn more than that.

 

[QuebecCard]

Yes, unless of course it’s Elon Musk doing a salute or Donald Trump saying people that are actually carrying Nazi banners and shouting Nazi slogans are fine people then yes it is OK to label them as Nazis

Sure. We can agree.

But the line is crossed when saying or implying that someone who voted for Trump is, by extension, a NAZI or one who would support those who carry NAZI banners, salute and mouth the slogans.

 

[QuebecCard]

Don't look now but you are defending socialized healthcare and demonizing capitalism.

Red's, by in large, want less government, and more economic freedom.




It absolutely did not defy our constitution. This is incorrect. Did it defy norms, and cause controversy? Absolutely. If this is your argument.... I'd look in to the legality of what you are actually saying here. Because you are wrong.

And at that time, it was not my party. I voted for the Libertarian in 2016.

Lastly, if you're as level headed and moderate as you said, calling it "your party" is out of line. And if you are as red as you say you used to be..... Limiting the power, size and scope of the federal government is a core tenant of that vision. Certainly not governmentalized healthcare or a weaponized judiciary.

Even Sotomayor got a decision right recently. Stunning stuff from her seat.

Regardless. This is beyond the scope of this thread.

So-called socialized healthcare and capitalism go hand in hand in every OECD country save ONE!

 

[Russ Smith]

Sure. We can agree.

But the line is crossed when saying or implying that someone who voted for Trump is, by extension, a NAZI or one who would support those who carry NAZI banners, salute and mouth the slogans.

Here I agree although I understand the idea when Jon posts that stuff. My mom was British, grew up there during WW2, so I grew up hearing about the Nazis and what they did and wanted to do so for me it's very hard to see like say what happened in Charlottesville and then understand the people who twist themselves up like a pretzel to avoid accepting that "on both sides" was said intentionally because he needs the guys who were marching and the people who support them to vote for him.

The righties here hate this when I do this but tough. We were at a birthday party last night for my niece, 20th. One of the attendees is married to the brother of Lucy's brother in law.Nicest person you will ever meet, she literally at one point left the party, went to Wal Mart and bought swimsuits for 3 kids who were there and didn't have suits, so they could go swimming. She's also voted for Trump 3 times and will literally scream in your face if you try and discuss it with her. She has I think 5 kids and there were several others there that are cousins of her kids. ALL of them are Democrats. She says her votes come down to two things, financial and the border, but she's also originally from Hawaii and blames Dems for the issues in Hawaii. Her kids will openly tell her mom you're wrong you're just too stubborn to admit it. Last night she said if I could, I would take my vote back, I wouldn't vote for her(Harris) but I wouldn't vote for him, I do NOT support what he's doing to the country and to people. So I would argue strongly with someone that called her a Nazi, but I also won't defend that she voted for him 3 times because I told her in 2016 before the election what I thought he was and she thought I was crazy.

That's been the debate on this board for years now many of us can't grasp how people put aside all the other stuff and vote because of taxes or stuff like that.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Here I agree although I understand the idea when Jon posts that stuff. My mom was British, grew up there during WW2, so I grew up hearing about the Nazis and what they did and wanted to do so for me it's very hard to see like say what happened in Charlottesville and then understand the people who twist themselves up like a pretzel to avoid accepting that "on both sides" was said intentionally because he needs the guys who were marching and the people who support them to vote for him.

You were born (at least) over a decade after WW2 ended. By this measure....... Most of us grew up with parents or grandparents that told us stories about Nazis, what they did, and what they wanted to do.

This is stupid simple..... You do not have a civilized conversation with others that you may disagree with when you use such incendiary language. And we all must tone it down. No excuses, and no "I understands".

The righties here hate this when I do this but tough. We were at a birthday party last night for my niece, 20th. One of the attendees is married to the brother of Lucy's brother in law.Nicest person you will ever meet, she literally at one point left the party, went to Wal Mart and bought swimsuits for 3 kids who were there and didn't have suits, so they could go swimming. She's also voted for Trump 3 times and will literally scream in your face if you try and discuss it with her. She has I think 5 kids and there were several others there that are cousins of her kids. ALL of them are Democrats. She says her votes come down to two things, financial and the border, but she's also originally from Hawaii and blames Dems for the issues in Hawaii. Her kids will openly tell her mom you're wrong you're just too stubborn to admit it. Last night she said if I could, I would take my vote back, I wouldn't vote for her(Harris) but I wouldn't vote for him, I do NOT support what he's doing to the country and to people. So I would argue strongly with someone that called her a Nazi, but I also won't defend that she voted for him 3 times because I told her in 2016 before the election what I thought he was and she thought I was crazy.

That's been the debate on this board for years now many of us can't grasp how people put aside all the other stuff and vote because of taxes or stuff like that.

You are correct. I personally hate uncorroborated story time with Russell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You were born (at least) over a decade after WW2 ended. By this measure....... Most of us grew up with parents or grandparents that told us stories about Nazis, what they did, and what they wanted to do.

This is stupid simple..... You do not have a civilized conversation with others that you may disagree with when you use such incendiary language. And we all must tone it down. No excuses, and no "I understands".



You are correct. I personally hate uncorroborated story time with Russell.

I don't. He qualifies his stories, it's not like he's passing off known-to-be bogus sources as evidence as some do. I don't grant them the same value as I would a well researched and documented story but I find some of them interesting and consistent with what I run into.

As for the conversation you were having, I agree with you to an extent. There's no place for this blanket "you didn't vote for this person therefore you are a whatever". But by the same token, AFAIC bans should be handed out when someone minimizes our opinions by calling it an "echo chamber"or when someone dismisses opinions by yelling TDS. We may not all engage in obvious personal attacks but we contribute to them by trotting out these buzz words.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

As liberal democracy expands and includes more people, it becomes more diverse and complicated. The growing diversity and complexity trigger authoritarian reactions in people who are averse to complexity and cannot tolerate diversity

“It is difficult to find examples of societies in which shrinking ethnic majorities gave up their dominant status without a fight.” (How Democracies Die, p. 207.)

 

[Russ Smith]

You were born (at least) over a decade after WW2 ended. By this measure....... Most of us grew up with parents or grandparents that told us stories about Nazis, what they did, and what they wanted to do.

This is stupid simple..... You do not have a civilized conversation with others that you may disagree with when you use such incendiary language. And we all must tone it down. No excuses, and no "I understands".



You are correct. I personally hate uncorroborated story time with Russell.

Surely you can grasp there's a difference between growing up in England and growing up in the US during WW2? Other than Pearl Harbor the entirety of WW2 was fought outside the US. My mom would literally walk to school picking up shrapnel from the "ack ack" guns that shot at the Luftwaffe on their bomb raid the night before, very few Americans grew up in that situation. Many Americans fought in that war and died in that war and I'm sure their kids and grandkids probably see it a bit differently but people that were actually being attacked on their home lands by the Nazis have a different perspective on it. If you can't admit that you just like to argue.

I don't really care if you like storytime or not to be honest, the guy who quotes people who are literally being paid by Russians(Benny Johnson) or were under federal investigation for posting stuff under aliases clearly doesn't care about the validity of sources. For ages you've been demanding links, and not ONCE have you ever responded to me posting a link by saying anything other than that link isn't credible, 90% of them time you don't even respond because again you don't want the link, you just want me to spend time looking for it.

The point is as the polls show, what is being done with immigrants right now is NOT popular, yes there are still people insisting I love it, that's what I voted for but the polling on it has switched significantly in 6 months from yeah I approve of his plan to no he's going way too far I don't agree. My experience last night with Jo at the party is consistent with what polling says is going on in this country, even people who voted for him 3 times are now regretting they did based on what he's done in 6 months.

Should add I'm not aware of ever calling someone a Nazi on this board. I may have but I certainly don't recall it. You've consistently shown, over years, that when someone calls out your post because it's inaccurate, or because your source is questionable, you either argue your source is just fine, or you just pretend you never posted the inaccurate stuff. I can't recall you ever once saying ok yes that appears to be inaccurate let me fix that. You only care about sources that do NOT agree with you in terms of credibility.

And while I'm at it in a post where you said we should all be having "civilized conversations" you intentionally use a name for me that I don't use. My name on this board is very clear it's Russ not Russell. You chose to use Russell intentionally because you think it's an insult. So don't gaslight with the civilized conversation nonsense you have no intention of doing that

 

[Suns_fan69]

Except that is literally one of the hardest. We are dependent on the forum software's capabilities and improving the ignore function, or most other functions for that matter, is out of our hands.

Apologies if this has been explained in depth already, but is changing forum software a non-starter?

I'm probably naive in the migration costs, both time & money, but I agree there's merit in expanding on the ignore/block functionality.

 

[PDXChris]

Can I get a refund on the 10 minutes I just spend reading this thread! Asking for a P&R perma ban was a great decision and I feel that even more.

 

[Dback Jon]

Can I get a refund on the 10 minutes I just spend reading this thread! Asking for a P&R perma ban was a great decision and I feel that even more.

You opened it. No refunds!!!

 

[TJ]

Update: We'll have a decision this week on it. A poll has been posted to the mods about it with a new rule set based on the site rules, previous P&R rules, and feedback here for them to give their feedback. I gave it a week but I'm hoping we get everyone's feedback sooner than that. So hang tight.

Appreciate you mods for doing your due diligence.

I think it sounds like the overwhelming majority want it back. It does have to come with posters becoming better at self-policing and developing thicker skin and mods making sure that posters are held accountable when they get out of line.

 

[TJ]

Can I get a refund on the 10 minutes I just spend reading this thread! Asking for a P&R perma ban was a great decision and I feel that even more.

If I were compensated for some of the ridiculous stuff I've read on this board the past 20 years, I'd be a rich man

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Can I get a refund on the 10 minutes I just spend reading this thread! Asking for a P&R perma ban was a great decision and I feel that even more.

We are so sorry for forcing you to read a thread about P&R after you requested to be perma-banned from said forum. Look for a refund on your 10 wasted minutes at every red light and railroad crossing you encounter

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is why P&R makes sense on a sports board. There are topics that bleed into politics (Kaepernick, Ja Morant, Kyrie Irving, etc) and stifling discussion because it treads into that direction doesn't make sense due to how it effects the sports world. Those don't seem to be very contentious here though, at least I don't believe they were. Discussions took place with civility because the context was clear and less open for interpretation, similar to sports as a whole. Things are much less personal.

There being exceptions shouldn't open the flood gates though as this is a sports board first and foremost. Political issues effect each us in different ways and to varying degrees but their impact on sports is often very easy to see. A LOT of topics in P&R don't relate to sports in any way and since it isn't our personal blog, why should we be granted a soapbox? I understand the community aspect of this site but if I'm personally effected and want to talk to a friend from here about something then I can reach out through PM or talk about those issues in a more appropriate setting.

I believe there should be a P&R setting but limited in that it only covers sports and entertainment topics. If we're discussing something that gets political in nature, like when the NFL changed their end zone signs earlier this year, and having a place to do so makes sense on a sports board. It doesn't logically track though to have discussions about the cost of exports/imports to the US that impact the tech industry.

If something comes up that is impactful to everyone (Texas Floods, California Fires) then mods can add a single thread to the Everything Else forum with normal site rules applicable at their discretion. Individual threads can be locked and hijacking is easier to control. Removing hijackers should be easier to do and less open to interpretation.


That's my 2 cents.

So your take is to remove ALL the nonsports boards? The movies, tech, finance, streaming, books, etc?

Skkorp started this as a sports board but it’s become more than that. It’s become a community in which literally everything is discussed. Even very VERY personal items. Sometimes to the extreme betterment for some of our inhabitants. To deny what this board has become would really be shame. Because it would be a tremendous step backwards in my opinion to limit this to sports.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My own personal experience is in the last X years I went from never going into PR to regularly being there. I was a lifelong registered Republican, i became a Dem in June of 2017. This board helped make that happen as I realized I was NOT the only Republican who had voted for Obama and HRC because I could not bring myself to vote for the Republican candidate they simply no longer represented my views. So I switched.

The other one and way more obvious was i was literally the most outspoken against Climate change on this board. I knew it was happening but insisted we were not the cause and I was VERY vocal about that. I had long running arguments with AJ and Sandan and others on here. But again this board helped give me a different perspective and that and discussions with others finally convinced me I'd let my dad heavily influence my opinion on it. I'm now in the I can't believe I was that stupid for that long side of the debate.

Both MIGHT have happened anyways without this board but not nearly as quickly. I worked at a company full of PHD physicists who all fully believed in climate change for example, yet I was still a denier.

So I do think losing PR would greatly harm the board. But I also understand it's difficult to moderate. Years ago I was asked to moderate and I said no because I knew I would not be impartial, openly admitted that thanks but no thanks I'd be a terrible moderator. So I get the challenge

If I had the time to dedicate to it I’d moderate. But I know I’d be derelict in my duties for long stretches which would be unfortunate. Because it does need moderation. And I believe the moderator team needs balance.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not anymore. Teams seemingly want their 'team' to win, more than caring about what is good for the people around them or the country.

I feel like I MUST vote Democrat now, because of how ridiculous the Republican party has become. I consider myself a left leaning centrist, but the Republican party of the past 15+ years has likely made me a life long Democrat.

It’s interesting as I’ve been a lifelong democrat. But I’m not “proud” of the democrat party. And I don’t understand why anyone wants to “own” the other party. It’s like the dumbest comment I can think of in politics. Truly intelligent people should see the parties as collections of positions on issues. You choose the one whose balance of issues you support. It could be one major issue that impacts you personally or an avalanche of issues that you support that earns your vote. Personally I wish there was a better way for us to support policy on a policy by policy basis rather than having to essentially vote for individuals who state they are going to vote for an entire slate (whether you support all of them or not and whether they actually do so or not). I sadly feel that politics has become a process of trying to pick the route of least wrong.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do you consider that opposition to be warranted now looking back on it? As a former republican, you must be mortified at the exponential rise in healthcare costs associated with the passing of Obamacare. Costs are way way up in relation to inflation or any other metric you choose to use.

I would argue that if you are willing to work, able to work, and were under a health care plan prior to the passing..... You would be looking back on it now with shame and guilt for the affirmative vote.




Garland was a tactical decision. A Politically advantageous decision. And one, that I think did harm initially from a perception perspective..... but ultimately has led to positive constitutional rulings. Something every former red would approve of. In just the case of Roe vs. Wade alone..... Even RBG approved of it being overturned.

The Scotus is now ruling from a much more textualist perspective. Which protects conservative opinions in many cases.




Although his southern directness might come across as cold and heartless..... This is completely understood by both houses at all times from the beginning of the last century.

Sen. Schumer, in February 2025, laid out a strategy for "hampering President Donald Trump's agenda" and "vowing to use every tool in their arsenal as Congress' minority party to keep Republicans in check."

And their use of the judiciary over the past 6 months has to bring alarm bells to anyone considering themselves a McCain Republican. Could you imagine a bench with 4 or 5 KBJ's on it now ruling in favor of Judge shopping, and removing explicitly assigned power from the Executive branch by a body that we didn't elect in the judiciary? Holy smokes.

Is this now allowed? Are we allowed to talk politics in this thread?