Week 17 Snap Counts and Thoughts

[kerouac9]

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[Zeem_Freeze]

im officially worried about Zaven Collins... I was holding out hope for a long time but I think he might be a project

 

[juza76]

im officially worried about Zaven Collins... I was holding out hope for a long time but I think he might be a project

Personally i won't draft any defensive players with the first two picks until we have a new DC

 

[82CardsGrad]

im officially worried about Zaven Collins... I was holding out hope for a long time but I think he might be a project

There doesn't seem to be any lights going on... He looked lost & confused the entire time he was on the field.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Personally i won't draft any defensive players with the first two picks until we have a new DC

Agree. We need a new DC. He just held the #1 offense to 22 points playing with about 5-6 backups and has a top 10 defense.

Fire that guy immediately.

 

[juza76]

Agree. We need a new DC. He just held the #1 offense to 22 points playing with about 5-6 backups and has a top 10 defense.

Fire that guy immediately.

Yes despite the last win i don't like his defense and how he tried to mold players to his scheme, and he undestimate the speed

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I thought Zaven looked decent on the snaps he got at OLB, he made a few tackles or assisted on a few behind the LOS. He may just end up like Reddick, takes time to figure out what position works best for him? May be the VJ scheme also like people say about Simmons?

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The 22% snaps Dortch got needs to increase. He looked good.

 

[SoonerLou]

The 22% snaps Dortch got needs to increase. He looked good.

Man has it come to this for Andy?

I still think Kliff was setting up a deep shot to him in the 3rd Qrt but protection broke down.

 

[JosiahLee]

Personally i won't draft any defensive players with the first two picks until we have a new DC

If it makes you feel better Hasson Reddick finished his rookie season with 36 total tackles (23 solo) while Zaven has 24 total tackles (13 solo) with significantly less snaps.

I'm still choosing to be hopeful. Seems like we have really blundered our 1st round defensive picks when it comes to how our coaches have developed them. So I still have faith in his ability as a player even if coaching is holding him back.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

To me, Zaven looks lost and thinking too much. That’s a Bill Davis thing. Same thing happened at OSU when he was their LB coach.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think Dortsch showed everything Moore does. It was limited but he looked explosive.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Man has it come to this for Andy?

I still think Kliff was setting up a deep shot to him in the 3rd Qrt but protection broke down.

I think the time is now for AI, if KK isn't gonna use him for a few deep shots a game, at least one considering the WR's we have out, then he's gonna be no more than a ST player for us his whole career. Hell, I was shocked to even see him in on a few snaps. He has the straight line speed, if he doesn't get jammed because he struggles with that, why not run him on a go route with a trail WR coming underneath? Doesn't hurt to try things on offense while Hopkins & Moore are out.

 

[SECTION 11]

Not worried about Collins at all. Like not even a little bit.

 

[juza76]

To me, Zaven looks lost and thinking too much. That’s a Bill Davis thing. Same thing happened at OSU when he was their LB coach.

Ok let's put new lb coach first

 

[Stout]

Not worried about Collins at all. Like not even a little bit.

Then you must be the optimist of all optimists, because he's shown nothing to warrant his draft status thus far, and has shown red flags.

Unless your point is that these football concerns don't worry you. In that case, Abide, brother.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Then you must be the optimist of all optimists, because he's shown nothing to warrant his draft status thus far, and has shown red flags.

Unless your point is that these football concerns don't worry you. In that case, Abide, brother.

I'm more worried about Collins than Simmons, that being said I'm not worried about Simmons because I know he'll be fine. I honestly think it's a Reddick thing with Collins, just gonna take time to figure out what position works best for him.

 

[PDXChris]

Not worried about Collins at all. Like not even a little bit.

I wouldn't say I'm not worried. I'm in the wait and see boat. By the 8th game year, I'll judge.

 

[SoonerLou]

I think the time is now for AI, if KK isn't gonna use him for a few deep shots a game, at least one considering the WR's we have out, then he's gonna be no more than a ST player for us his whole career. Hell, I was shocked to even see him in on a few snaps. He has the straight line speed, if he doesn't get jammed because he struggles with that, why not run him on a go route with a trail WR coming underneath? Doesn't hurt to try things on offense while Hopkins & Moore are out.

Yea I think guys like Ertz need that kind of room underneath as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Andy Isabella getting passed by Greg Dortch and Antoine Wesley on the depth chart is just so hilarious.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Yea I think guys like Ertz need that kind of room underneath as well.

Yes. Ertz needs to block for a split second, then release also on drag routes. Damn, I wish KK was my buddy on speed dial because I have more ideas for him lol.

 

[JosiahLee]

I think Dortsch showed everything Moore does. It was limited but he looked explosive.

Yeah I feel good about him getting snaps when his number is called going forward.

 

[cardpa]

These were Collins Positive traits in his draft and combine draft prospect profile (listed below). He never played LB until his red shirt freshman year in college and has only three years experience at LB during his college years at Tulsa, a All-American Athletic Conference school. We're not talking big time football here like the ACC, Big 10, SEC, PAC12, Big 12 conferences. He did not come out of college NFL ready or even near ready. IMHO he was drafted way too high and wasn't even a first round pick, yet somehow drifted up in the ranking purely on his athletic abilites. I think that was true of Reddick too. I don't expect Collins to have an impact of any sort for another year or two, maybe three. I think it's a waste of a pick when you draft on potential in the first round with the hope that the player will eventually work out. You end up paying first round money for a player that will not contribute until maybe late year two and possibly sometime in year three.

Strengths

• Three-year starter and winner of Bronco Nagurski Award.
• Consistent, impact production in all three seasons.
• Freaky combination of size and athleticism for linebacker.
• Range to make plays all over the field.
• Sees opportunities to swoop downhill and attack holes in blocking scheme.
• Size and knock-back power to take on blocks.
• Burst and length to track down runners from backside.
• Terrific second effort as a tackler.
• Recovers from blocks and gets back into the play.
• Plays disciplined team defense, filling his fits and spilling plays wide.
• Good awareness of air traffic in zone coverage.
• Reads quarterback and slides into passing lanes.
• Had four interceptions in 2020, including two he returned for touchdowns.

 

[kerouac9]

DYK Brian Urlacher played at New Mexico?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Agree. We need a new DC. He just held the #1 offense to 22 points playing with about 5-6 backups and has a top 10 defense.

Fire that guy immediately.

I think he can be a good DC while also taking forever with young players. Reddick, Allen, Murphy, Simmons, Collins.