Washed up pitchers

[mark1]

It looks like we will get Reynolds and Sparks. Oh boy! Print up the world series tickets

http://www.aztrib.com/index.php?sty=14666

 

[moviegeekjn]

Any amount above the league minimum means that Joe Jr. again overspent for mediocre "talent"

 

[thirty-two]

Wow they are getting rid of Barajas? Is that new catcher we just signed (Mayne) better than Barajas??

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by thirty-two
Wow they are getting rid of Barajas? Is that new catcher we just signed (Mayne) better than Barajas??

You would be hard pressed to find a catcher WORSE than Barajas.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I still dont know why people consider Reynolds or Sparks "washed-up"....

As I pointed on another thread...Reynolds dominated on the road last season, but for some odd reason he struggled at
Turner Field.....

Sparks as a Knuckle-Ball specialist would baffle most hitters in the NL..which would even make him that more effective....

Barajas is expendable also because they have Cresse and Ansman waiting in the wings..... Getting Mayne allows those 2 prospects to have at least 1 more year of seasoning in the minors until theyre ready to be the 2nd stringer to Hammock....

 

[kps0001]

I don't understand why we signed Mayne, unless he took a HUGE paycut. He is 35 yrs. old, Barajas is like 28yrs. Mayne made $2.7 million last year, Barajas $300 K, Mayne batted .245 hit 6 hr's and had 36 RBI. Barajas hit .218, 3 hr's, and 28 rbi. Mayne also had 150 more AB's.

I am quite confused on why we just didn't resign Barajas.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Originally posted by kps0001
I don't understand why we signed Mayne, unless he took a HUGE paycut. He is 35 yrs. old, Barajas is like 28yrs. Mayne made $2.7 million last year, Barajas $300 K, Mayne batted .245 hit 6 hr's and had 36 RBI. Barajas hit .218, 3 hr's, and 28 rbi. Mayne also had 150 more AB's.

I am quite confused on why we just didn't resign Barajas.

I thought they signed Mayne for a 1-yr-$800,000 contract, but for some odd reason I cant come across the link where I remember reading that....

Barajas would more than likely get a 3-yr $1.5 mil contract in arbitration, something that he isnt worth whatsoever....

 

[kps0001]

Oh OK Thanks.

Yeah I wouldn't want Barajas at the rate either.

 

[mark1]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie
Reynolds dominated on the road last season, but for some odd reason he struggled at
Turner Field.....

Dominated on the road? Lets take a look shall we? Reynolds was 7-2 with a 4.22 ERA on the road last year. He pitched 91 inn and gave up 102 hits and the league hit .290 against him, for a team that won 100 games. Hardly dominate. In fact, it isn't very good. Reynolds was washed up years ago. We already have a Shane Reynolds, and his name is Elmer Dessens. We don't need a 36 year old version.

 

[Ryanwb]

I am not too keen on knuckleballers....

Tim Wakefield is one thing, but Sparks?

 

[moviegeekjn]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie
As I pointed on another thread...Reynolds dominated on the road last season, but for some odd reason he struggled at
Turner Field.....

If the D'backs supplied the same kind of run support that Reynolds got from the Braves last season, then you could say that Elmer Dessens "dominated" the opposition... but that wouldn't make your statement true.

 

[Phill11]

Originally posted by mark1
It looks like we will get Reynolds and Sparks. Oh boy![/url]

Reynolds > Dessens. Unless Dessens is used right, Pitching 5 innings per start or Long Relief, Hes useless. In the 6 or 7th ining he ALWAYS gets hammerd. Lets just hope BB is smart enough to realize this.

 

[mark1]

The offers to Reynolds and Sparks are guaranteed. Talk about pissing away your money. The front office continues to make mistakes. Read the last paragraph.

http://www.aztrib.com/index.php?sty=14744

 

[mark1]

Why didn't this braindead team just wait until midnight tonight to find out who is non-tendered? Jason Johnson and Damian Moss are supposed to be non tendered by the Orioles. Moss is only 27 and had a good year in 2002 for the Braves. He sucked last year but, at least he has some upside. Johnson is 30, and a better pitcher than Reynolds right now. He went 10-10 with the Orioles last year with an era of 4.18

Jr needs a lobotomy

 

[AZZenny]

Jr HAD a lobotomy. Obviously.


(And now, slowly but steadily, I'm getting one.)

 

[devilalum]

Re: Re: Washed up pitchers

Originally posted by Phill11
Reynolds > Dessens. Unless Dessens is used right, Pitching 5 innings per start or Long Relief, Hes useless. In the 6 or 7th ining he ALWAYS gets hammerd. Lets just hope BB is smart enough to realize this.

I always wondered why they don't have a plan for this. Dessens had a number of starts last season when he was awesome through 5. Why didn't BB just plan to use him for 5 and bring in a middle reliever?

It seems like there were about 4 starts in a row when he got bombed in the 6th. Is Brenley ********? Because it seems like he's the only guy in the valley that didn't notice this.

 

[mark1]

Brenly isn't ********, he's just a lousy manager. He needs to go back to the broadcast booth. He isn't well liked by his players, and is a lousy communicator. How many times have we heard our players complain that they don't know what their role is? I don't see Brenly back in 2005. My guess is that Robin Yount or Mark Grace will be our next manager. Brenly might not make it through 2004.

 

[moviegeekjn]

Originally posted by mark1
My guess is that Robin Yount or Mark Grace will be our next manager. Brenly might not make it through 2004.

Joe Jr. seems to be on a personal campaign to supply him with the kind of players that will get him fired!

 

[BC867]

Originally posted by mark1
Brenly isn't ********, he's just a lousy manager. He needs to go back to the broadcast booth. He isn't well liked by his players, and is a lousy communicator. How many times have we heard our players complain that they don't know what their role is? I don't see Brenly back in 2005. My guess is that Robin Yount or Mark Grace will be our next manager. Brenly might not make it through 2004.

My choice is still an experienced Manager over Yount or Grace.

Al Pedrique did wonders at Tucson with the BabyBacks (who are becoming more and more a part of this club) and has been brought up to coach 3B.

I'm glad that he wasn't named Bench Coach under Brenly, leaving him to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Originally posted by mark1
Dominated on the road? Lets take a look shall we? Reynolds was 7-2 with a 4.22 ERA on the road last year. He pitched 91 inn and gave up 102 hits and the league hit .290 against him, for a team that won 100 games. Hardly dominate. In fact, it isn't very good. Reynolds was washed up years ago. We already have a Shane Reynolds, and his name is Elmer Dessens. We don't need a 36 year old version.

Reynolds seems to reverting back to true form since he had his surgery, and I would not compare him to Dessens because Reynolds at least can last beyond the 5th inning on a consistant basis without faltering like Dessens does...... Plus, the Dbacks offense is potent and will be able to supply just as many runs as the Braves did Reynolds....I admit that I used "dominated" too loosely......

Tim Wakefield is one thing, but Sparks?

Sparks has been relatively effective, but of course when anyones pitching for the Tigers, you cant truly gauge anything..... Just him coming into the NL alone with a pitch that they're not accustomed to makes him rather intimidating.....

If the D'backs supplied the same kind of run support that Reynolds got from the Braves last season, then you could say that Elmer Dessens "dominated" the opposition... but that wouldn't make your statement true.

Again, Reynolds at least pitched past the 6th inning in most of his starts and does have a proven track-record compared to Dessens who's much better suited in long-relief and only had 2 decent years.... I honestly think the Dbacks offense will average 4-5 runs a game......

Why didn't this braindead team just wait until midnight tonight to find out who is non-tendered? Jason Johnson and Damian Moss are supposed to be non tendered by the Orioles. Moss is only 27 and had a good year in 2002 for the Braves. He sucked last year but, at least he has some upside. Johnson is 30, and a better pitcher than Reynolds right now. He went 10-10 with the Orioles last year with an era of 4.18

Because Johnson and Moss are demanding long-term lucrative deals.....The Dbacks just want to find a stop-gap (1-yr at a relative bargain price) who would allow the likes of Rosario and Nippert one more year in the Minors to develop, and also wouldnt cause them to wear out Gosling, Gonzalez, Good etc......

We can all agree that it is necessary for them to sign a veteran (at a bargain price) who can prevent the Dbacks from rushing/wearing-out their younger starters....Plus, with Koplove and some other relievers who had all sorts of injuries last season, they don't want to compound their injuries worse....

I'm not saying that Reynolds and Sparks are the best pitchers available, but considering the Dbacks financial constraints and how most of their high prospects will be ready by '05, then these 2 pitchers suit their needs....

 

[schillingfan]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie
I'm not saying that Reynolds and Sparks are the best pitchers available, but considering the Dbacks financial constraints and how most of their high prospects will be ready by '05, then these 2 pitchers suit their needs....

I think the point is that they don't suit their needs - or their concept of what they need is screwed up.

D-Backs either are self-delusional or are attempting to delude their fans. They are going nowhere this year and given their payroll don't have the ability to change that.

They do - however - have some excellent prospects who could be good in a couple of years. However, by putting placeholders who are not going to get better and pretty much stunk in the past, they aren't giving their kids an opportunity to play and improve. It's thus counterproductive.

At best they are taking a 75 win team and turning it into an 80 win team. Whoopdido.

 

[mark1]

"Because Johnson and Moss are demanding long-term lucrative deals."


You don't have a clue what their looking for or what they'll sign for. They haven't even been non-tendered yet. If non-tendered, I hardly think either Johnson or Moss will get a "long term lucrative deal."

The point is, Jr should have waited to see what was available. You can always pick up scrap heap pitchers like Reynolds and Sparks before spring training.

Edit: Shane Reynolds averaged 5 2/3 innings per start last year for a good Atlanta Brave team. Like I said, he is an older Elmer Dessens.

Edit: Orlando Hernandez, Mark Redmon, Damian Moss, and Johnson were all non tendered. If we didn't sign washed up Brent Mayne, and didn't offer ridiculous contracts to Reynolds and Sparks, we probably could afford Redmon. This really pisses me off.

http://www.rotoworld.com/display1.asp?sport=MLB&page=news

 

[moviegeekjn]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie


We can all agree that it is necessary for them to sign a veteran (at a bargain price) who can prevent the Dbacks from rushing/wearing-out their younger starters....

NO

We can NOT all agree on your premise since it is based on so many assumptions... not all of them sound.

Veteran castoffs can be had at much cheaper prices if necessary. Joe Jr. seems like he's far too interested in getting his shopping done during the pre-Christmas period... thus, paying full retail prices for guys that could be tossed in at below wholesale value later.

 

[AZZenny]

CRIMINY!! OF COURSE!!! He's mixed up his Christmas shopping and his off-season acquisitions! He was thinking he had to get mediocre pitchers and catchers so he could SHIP THEM here in time for Christmas delivery!! DUH, Joe!! He probably paid totally unnecessary 2nd-day UPS charges, too!
What an idiot.

 

[Phill11]

Lets just throw another name in here.
Kenny Rogers. Anybody think he would fit in good here in Arizona?