Warren Moon on Cam Newton

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Warren Moon isn't giving advice to Cam Newton. They're on opposite sides of the country. Moon is a broadcaster for the Seattle Seahawks.

Anything to smear a prospect you don't like, though, right, Stout?

Well, if he is not giving advice to Newton then Sports Center and various other media operations sure have it all wrong on both TV and radio. They have been all over it. I think it was Sports Center for about 30 minutes as the discussion went on and I was listening to the radio program live on the radio. They described Moon as his adviser about all things NFL. Makes sense to me. Following is an article about Newton and Moon his adviser. There are many more just like this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rren-moon-sees-the-panthers-in-newtons-future
 
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Warren Moon apparently didn't pay attention to the draft last year. People we talking about how Clausen was fake and seemed very scripted. It is the exact same stuff being said about Newton.

I understand why people use the race card. There are way too many stupid people left in this world that believe non-white people are inferior, but I'd like to hope there are fewer of them left, especially in pro sports. If we ever are going to get past this we have to stop using it.

Moon in playing the race card has likely hurt Cam Newton. No team wants to get a player who may play the race card because he may not start or is being treated unfairly. It is tough enough becoming a starting an NFL QB without having race enter into the equation.
 

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Moon has a point, considering his own history with breaking into the NFL, but I wouldn't say that racism is the main factor with Newton's detractors.

Like K9 has mentioned, Tebow experienced the same kind of scrutiny during the build up to the draft itself last year. One could say that it was based upon upon his skills as a college QB versus what an NFL QB needs to be successful. However, it could be argued that there was an anti-religious aspect to the criticism.

Bottomline, in my opinion, is this: Where there's smoke, there's fire...but sometimes people look for the fire when there is no smoke.

Nice post, Ken. Pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole thing.
 

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But the character flaws aren't personality-based or on-the-field-based. Did Reggie Bush's problems destroy the Saints locker-room? Of course not--it wasn't a distraction at all. The Saints won 11 games and the Bush saga was fodder for talk radio but it didn't affect anything on the field.

Newton didn't have to deal with adversity in his college career? Are you kidding me? He left Florida (whether because Tebow decided to come back or for academic issues is irrelevant), then rallied at Blinn (leading them to an NJCAA championship), coming back to Auburn where he lead the Tigers to a National Championship while NCAA investigations were swirling around him. He never hid from the media's questions, including going on the Jim Rome show and directly discussing the laptop incident without dodging the question at all. Vince Young went into his shell under far less concerning matters at Tennessee.

I agree that you have to worry about stuff in the guy's past; I'm not putting Newton at the top of my board and saying that there aren't issues of concern, but those issues have been investigated by people in the know, and those concerns don't seem to be leaking out despite every journalist covering the draft desperately wanting a piece of that story.

As I said (and you didn't respond to): Newton is from a stable, two-parent family and isn't going to be responsible for carrying the burden of multiple generations. He's not Mike Vick or Vince Young in that respect. He's not a guy who goes out and seeks the limelight. He's not doing media all over the place right now (seeking the limelight); he's getting his business done working out with teams and trying to get better as a quarterback.

Warren Moon saying that the criticism is racially based is uncalled for, although I think that the controversy surrounding the prospect outside of the NFL, which has little basis in what teams and scouts are actually saying, or his unquestioned excellence on the field, is confusing.

What if Newton fumbled in the National Championship game? Does that erase the perfect season that Auburn had had up to that point? The fact is that Newton took a risk-free play where he protected the ball and still gained 2 yards. It'd be a different question if he went flying over the offensive line and extended the ball outward. There were 51 seconds left on the clock at the time; Newton burned more time off the clock as the OL reset and the refs sorted out the play. I'm not saying that no one should be concerned about it, but after the game the USA Today live-blogger of the game described Newton as "essentially taking a knee" to set up the field goal. There's a lot of re-visionism going on as people who hate Cam Newton try to come up with more legitimate reasons than just general dislike.

Is Newton a Top 5 pick in this draft? I don't think so. Is Newton a first round pick in this draft? Of course. Is Newton a Top 15 pick in this draft? Probably.

But this isn't a kid from the ghetto who is going to spend all his money on weed and cars and six million dollar houses after he gets paid. That was the concern that pushed Darnell Dockett into the 3rd round. The money paid to a Top 10 pick is a concern with every player except maybe the ones who are independently wealthy anyway like #7 or Andrew Luck.

You made an explicit comparison to Cade McNown and Jimmy Clausen with Cam Newton as a "guy nobody trusts." The evidence at Auburn versus at UCLA and Notre Dame defies that comparison. What would make you think that Cam Newton is a guy that no one in the lockerroom would "trust"?

I did? What I said was the same guy who Moon is assailing as being racist made similarly "personal attack" comments about Clausen last year, and Clausen is white.

I compared Newton to Mayo, another kid who got in trouble in college and then decided to do a complete image makeover before the draft which got people calling him a phony.

I think you misunderstood the comma in the other sentence, it's to separate my comment about QBs nobody likes(McNown and Clausen) from QB's you might not be able to trust(Newton).

As for the Jim Rome stuff really? So Newton told the entire truth to Rome on the air? My recollection was he said he didn't steal the laptop and said he made a mistake throwing it out the window, he got nervous. Does anybody really believe he threw a laptop he purchased out a window because he got nervous when the police showed up? Isn't it a lot more plausible that he either stole it, or bought it knowing it was stolen and that's why he got nervous?

Just like the cheating thing. He reportedly turned in a paper someone else wrote, when that got questioned he replaced it with a paper he bought off the internet. When Rome tried to ask him about that the first time he wouldn't comment. Rome asked his dad about it and his dad said I wasn't there, I can't comment on it. So I don't really see where he faced stuff head on he just didn't really answer them. I admit I havent' seen the whole piece on Rome maybe he did address stuff later.

As to the from a 2 parent home stuff etc. Sure, doesn't that make his situation in some ways worse? Mayo's dad was in and out of jail for years with drug problems, he grew up poor I think we can understand why he started taking money in 8th grade. Doesn't excuse his behavior entirely but at least we can sort of guess at where it came from. Newton's dad is a pastor, he has both parents, he didn't grow up a Kardashian mind you but they weren't dirt poor. So cheating on tests, pay for play that's a character flaw that wasn't necessarily driven out of anything other than he felt he was "above the law.'

With Bush, he is not a QB. If Bush was the Qb of the Saints I would venture to say yes some of that stuff would have been a distraction.

What it comes down to is you're about to pay someone a lot of money when you draft them, you have to decide do we trust this kid. And part of that is believing in the kid, so when you think the kid is a phony, it's going to be tough to believe in him. Note I'm not saying all NFL teams think that, but some of them apparently do.

talent isn't everything, character counts and at QB it is more important. Maybe he'll be like Big Ben and it won't matter. Maybe he'll be a model citizen in the NFL and it won't matter, but that doesn't mean NFL teams aren't right now to be concerned about him.

Just to be clear I don't think he's the antichrist or something I just don't "feel sorry for him" I don't think he was a victim of circumstance. You want to feel sorry for a college athlete google Thomas Robinson of Kansas mens basketball. In one calendar year his grandfather dies, his grandmother dies, 5 days later his 43 year old mom dies, and he's the sole provider suddenly for a 9 year old sister. The NCAA that everyone hates actually allowed KU to pay for his funeral, relocate the sister to Lawrence and offered free legal counsel to help him deal with custody issues. He's expected to turn pro any day now because he desperately needs money, soph, great athlete not NBA ready but has no choice. Now THAT is a kid I hope is a lottery pick and makes a lot of money, he dealt with incredible adversity and I would actually understand if he had been accused of doing some of the things Newton has been accused of.
 
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It's when guys here say, "I wouldn't spend a fifth-round pick on this guy," that makes no sense to me.

That is clearly silly...I'd take him in the late first, early 2nd...right where I'd take Mallett who could be Dewreck Anderson 2.0.

There is a HUGE difference between pick #5 and pick #35.

But I want a day one impact guy at #5...
 

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@Russ:

On the Newton/Rome interview, he said that he bought a laptop out of the back of a guy's car, and when the cops showed up at his house he threw it out the window. If you think that Cam Newton is the only 19-year old college student who cheats on tests and turns in papers that aren't his own, I don't know what to tell you. At a fine academic institution like Florida, I wouldn't be surprised if that was almost more of the rule than the exception. It shows bad judgement by an 18 or 19 year old kid. I'm sorry if that doesn't sway me away from a guy who could be a more accurate Josh Freeman.

Is cheating on a test when you're obviously not there for an education worse than Jake feeling up a girl at Club Rio? Of course, Jake was the hometown hero and white. I'm sure that similar concerns would be dismissed if Cam Newton did the same thing.

I don't think that Newton deserves less criticism; Warren Moon is in the wrong here. But Newton's criticism is far in excess of what is deserved, especially on threads like these, where the rhetoric is far in excess of the actions or the concerns.

That is clearly silly...I'd take him in the late first, early 2nd...right where I'd take Mallett who could be Dewreck Anderson 2.0.

There is a HUGE difference between pick #5 and pick #35.

But I want a day one impact guy at #5...

Who are the "Day one impact guys" at #5. Suh was a Day One Impact Guy, but those guys tend to be once-in-a-generation players. Would you not draft Mario Williams #5 overall? He had 4.5 sacks his rookie season.

Would you draft Mark Sanchez #5 overall? He has yet to have a season where his QB rating was about 75.3.

Would you draft Peyton Manning #5 overall? Manning completed fewer than 60% of his passes his rookie year and threw 28 INTs.

Your Top 5 pick is likely going to be signing a six-year contract. If you want a guy to come in and contribute immediately, don't expect him to get much better than he is right now, and you're settling for current performance instead of potential.
 

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Who are the "Day one impact guys" at #5. Suh was a Day One Impact Guy, but those guys tend to be once-in-a-generation players. Would you not draft Mario Williams #5 overall? He had 4.5 sacks his rookie season.

Would you draft Mark Sanchez #5 overall? He has yet to have a season where his QB rating was about 75.3.

Would you draft Peyton Manning #5 overall? Manning completed fewer than 60% of his passes his rookie year and threw 28 INTs.

Your Top 5 pick is likely going to be signing a six-year contract. If you want a guy to come in and contribute immediately, don't expect him to get much better than he is right now, and you're settling for current performance instead of potential.

Patrick Peterson. Day one. Impact doesn't mean a guy who is a probowler out of the gate...it's a guy that you can put on your roster at his position, start him without wringing your hands about it, and know you are set at that position for the next 6 years no question. Von Miller would fit that bill too. Blah gabbert? Nope. Cam? Nope.

Manning - Day one impact QB - learning curve? YES. Light years beyond Cam? Yes. From Day one, Manning was the guy and you could see he had it. Bradford, same thing. Darrelle Revis, same thing.

Day one impact players means you can plug them in and they will perform - will they stumble like Mario Williams? Yes. But you can put them in the roster and watch them improve.

Cam is not one of those guys. Too many question marks. Andrew Luck is one of those guys. Patrick Peterson is one of those guys.

I would never take Sanchez top 5, didn't ever like his game. I would take Cam over Sanchez...both late in the first round.
 

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@Russ:

On the Newton/Rome interview, he said that he bought a laptop out of the back of a guy's car, and when the cops showed up at his house he threw it out the window. If you think that Cam Newton is the only 19-year old college student who cheats on tests and turns in papers that aren't his own, I don't know what to tell you. At a fine academic institution like Florida, I wouldn't be surprised if that was almost more of the rule than the exception. It shows bad judgement by an 18 or 19 year old kid. I'm sorry if that doesn't sway me away from a guy who could be a more accurate Josh Freeman.

Is cheating on a test when you're obviously not there for an education worse than Jake feeling up a girl at Club Rio? Of course, Jake was the hometown hero and white. I'm sure that similar concerns would be dismissed if Cam Newton did the same thing.

I don't think that Newton deserves less criticism; Warren Moon is in the wrong here. But Newton's criticism is far in excess of what is deserved, especially on threads like these, where the rhetoric is far in excess of the actions or the concerns.



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Well first off when people bring up Newton here I assume it's in relation to the Cards so my opinion is as a Cards fan.

If Carolina wants to take him and have him and Clausen room together on the road great for them, but as a Cards fan the idea of taking him at 5, and I know you said you don't advocate that, scares the hell out of me.

I don't recall defending Jake, hell I don't recall defending Jake for much of anything he was one of the guys where it took years to find out his problems were mainly related to work ethic. the only coach who ever got him to play well ultimately dumped him because he didn't think he worked hard.

So far what I see with Newton is a guy with a history of taking the easy way out, the path of least resistance if you will. When you get to the NFL as a QB having a path of least resistance kind of mentality tends to be a negative, you really want the guy who doesn't look for the easy way out.

He has talent no doubt, I just personally wouldn't touch him with a top 10 pick because you're going to pay him so much money you have to worry about his character issues.
 

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Aaron Rodgers met a lot of criticism going into the draft. And full of himself? The nerve of some people, the championship belt thing and his ego was totally unjustifiable because he hadn't won a ...wait...sounds like a Cam Newton to me. ;)

Rodgers had no character issues.

There were no questions about Rodgers accuracy.

Rodgers came from a Pro-Style Offense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/64079.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3279488

http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/aaronrogers.htm

All of the relevant detractions from Newton, Rodgers had none of.
 

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Rodgers had no character issues.

There were no questions about Rodgers accuracy.

Rodgers came from a Pro-Style Offense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/64079.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3279488

http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/aaronrogers.htm

All of the relevant detractions from Newton, Rodgers had none of.



The knock on Rodgers was they thought he was too cocky, that's allegedly what the 49ers liked about Smith and didn't like about Rodgers. Complete nonsense a QB needs to be confident, anybody surprised Smith looked so scared his first 2 years he didn't have the confidence he needed.

They also questioned Rodgers height, and thought he was a Tedford Robo QB but that clearly proved to be dead wrong.

But yeah he certainly had none of the character questions that Newton has to answer to.
 

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Rodgers had no character issues.

There were no questions about Rodgers accuracy.

Rodgers came from a Pro-Style Offense.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/64079.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3279488

http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/aaronrogers.htm

All of the relevant detractions from Newton, Rodgers had none of.

JJ Arrington came from that same offense. We get the bum Green Bay gets the star.

:bang:
 

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Jimmy "it ain't my fault" Clausen rofl. Even if Newton busts, he can't be compared to knucklehead Clausen. I think Warren's head is in the moon, like Bradshaw's? Wear a helmet kids.
 

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