Trifecta of fail?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Our three main coaches this year have been brought in to make a different in the places we lacked.

Porter - defense, team defense, poise on the sideline
Cartwright - big man coach, focus on defense and development of young bigs
Majerle - youth coach, shooting coach, chemistry coach

None of these guys have accomplished anything this season. Porter has us scoring less with no improvement in defense. Cartwright has proven he is clearly not working with Amare or Lopez on anything. Majerle hasn't seen enough success to get any of the young guys even joining the rotation.

What are they doing? How do you get worse in every category you brought specialists in to deal with? I cant even decide who is doing the worst job of the three in regards with what they came in to do in the first place!

 

[jagu]

It's not them, theres no chemistry and absolutely no defense. I can score 30 on the Suns.

 

[nowagimp]

Our three main coaches this year have been brought in to make a different in the places we lacked.

Porter - defense, team defense, poise on the sideline
Cartwright - big man coach, focus on defense and development of young bigs
Majerle - youth coach, shooting coach, chemistry coach

None of these guys have accomplished anything this season. Porter has us scoring less with no improvement in defense. Cartwright has proven he is clearly not working with Amare or Lopez on anything. Majerle hasn't seen enough success to get any of the young guys even joining the rotation.

What are they doing? How do you get worse in every category you brought specialists in to deal with? I cant even decide who is doing the worst job of the three in regards with what they came in to do in the first place!

I wonder about the value of coaches in the NBA, does a good coach make up for player deficiencies? Or it could be that good players just make coaches look good. Basketball, IMO is the sport with the least coaching impact.

look around the NBA, ALOT of players tend to get to the point where they dont listen to the coaches, I wonder why?

Supposedly DA was really good at keeping his players happy by getting them touches that they need to prove/improve their value. Now take a step back and ask what these players would think if a new coach came in, their stats took a crap, and they didnt win as much. I dont think many NBA players would like that coach, you know the one who makes it very difficult for them to get the stats they need to keep proving themselves. Perhaps if they won a ton, they could get credit for being valuable players, but that isnt happening is it. By the way being a great defender in the NBA doesnt get you anything more than the MLE. The NBA pays players with good offensive stats, defense, no so much.

 

[Chaplin]

Majerle is the only coach I'd be willing to keep, the other two can go to the NBDL for all I care.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'd like to keep the strength & conditioning staff

 

[jandaman]

In all fairness...

I think the lack of defense improvement... is due to the players putting less effort.

A coach can only say or coach to rotate, he can position the players and he can tell them what needs to be done... but ultimately if the player doesnt do whatthe coaches tells them.. then who is to blame?

He cant yank Stoudemire out for long periods because it hurts the team offensively..

 

[nowagimp]

In all fairness...

I think the lack of defense improvement... is due to the players putting less effort.

A coach can only say or coach to rotate, he can position the players and he can tell them what needs to be done... but ultimately if the player doesnt do whatthe coaches tells them.. then who is to blame?

He cant yank Stoudemire out for long periods because it hurts the team offensively..

Or it could be that the suns are allowing more points off turnovers than any other team, those are easy shots, mostly layups. the defense gets blamed in every stat for that one, but dysfunction offense is a big contributor for the suns. With offensive rebounds, the opponents %FG stats dont look as bad. Turnovers are the easiest score, just ask the mustache man.

 

[mojorizen7]

Or it could be that the suns are allowing more points off turnovers than any other team, those are easy shots, mostly layups. the defense gets blamed in every stat for that one, but dysfunction offense is a big contributor for the suns. With offensive rebounds, the opponents %FG stats dont look as bad. Turnovers are the easiest score, just ask the mustache man.

Yeah no doubt. Thats huge when you're only getting one shot per offensive possesion because you're taking quick shots and getting creamed on the glass.

 

[nowagimp]

Yeah no doubt. Thats huge when you're only getting one shot per offensive possesion because you're taking quick shots and getting creamed on the glass.

And even more huge when you shoot 56% from the floor and lose because you gave up 20 points off turnovers, and STILL cant keep the opponents off the Oglass. DA must have been LHAO as the knicks got all those easy scores in the suns house with the equivalent of a freakin D league team!

 

[mojorizen7]

And even more huge when you shoot 56% from the floor and lose because you gave up 20 points off turnovers, and STILL cant keep the opponents off the Oglass. DA must have been LHAO as the knicks got all those easy scores in the suns house with the equivalent of a freakin D league team!

Trifecta of fail

+1
Oh i thought you & i were reffering to DA's SUNS teams...my bad.

 

[nowagimp]

+1
Oh i thought you & i were reffering to DA's SUNS teams...my bad.

So you agree(+1, LOL) this team and the DA teams are very similar in their failures? Hmm, that means the suns problems werent in coaching, doesnt it?

 

[BC867]

So you agree(+1, LOL) this team and the DA teams are very similar in their failures? Hmm, that means the suns problems werent in coaching, doesnt it?

Not necessarily.

A coach who ran a country club atmosphere for his players, with emphasis on the fun part (offense) and hardly any on the work part (defense and rebounding)

. . . vs. . . .

a coach who has the right ideas, but not the skill to undo the damage that was done . . . only magnifies that the country club was the problem that the right ideas haven't been able to supplant with this combination of players.

I guess Terry Porter was not the heavyweight to undo the four years of player-friendly bad habits which he inherited. But a strong Coach would have cost Sarver much more money.

It's a shame that these circumstances caused the Suns to waste the only legitimate opportunity in their history to be a true Championship contender.

The Cinderella finals early on vs. the Celtics and our only other finals vs. Michael's Bulls did not put us in that category.

This was our chance.

 

[Wonder]

It's not them, theres no chemistry and absolutely no defense. I can score 30 on the Suns.

no you really can't, not 1.