TRADES

[Proximo]

I saw what looked like click bait that said CP3 for DLo. Didn’t read it but what do you guys think about that?

I think that is a bad idea. DLO is not efficient and he is not consistent. He is a bad contract, and at this point he isn't going to get any better IMO. I don't like his relationship with Booker either as it could complicate things.

 

[Mainstreet]

I understand D'Angelo Russell will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I understand D'Angelo Russell will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

I understand nothing. Accepting that is the first step towards enlightenment. I'm feeling very enlightened since the new agreement with the players. Personally, I think this cba was crafted by the same people that made IRS tax code so easily understood.

 

[Mainstreet]

I understand nothing. Accepting that is the first step towards enlightenment. I'm feeling very enlightened since the new agreement with the players. Personally, I think this cba was crafted by the same people that made IRS tax code so easily understood.

A comparison to the IRS tax code is about right.

I'm not sure how the NBA owners got a CBA that equates to hard cap from the players union. Also, it is more complicated.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think that is a bad idea. DLO is not efficient and he is not consistent. He is a bad contract, and at this point he isn't going to get any better IMO. I don't like his relationship with Booker either as it could complicate things.

CP3 had an efficiency rating of of 17.7 to DLO's 16.3. They were not that far apart. DLO has had an efficiency rating as high as 19.9 (2019). So, I think he can be that player depending on the system and who is coaching him. He averages 6.2 Assists per game. He is no Chris Paul but who is that will be available and you can get? He is going to also give you close to 20 PPG. I am not saying DLO is the answer but you have to at least kick the tires on it if you can pull it off. He is likely going to be too expensive.

 

[AzStevenCal]

A comparison to the IRS tax code is about right.

I'm not sure how the NBA owners got a CBA that equates to hard cap from the players union. Also, it is more complicated.

Yeah it's to the point where I have no clue what we can do. Maybe trading for a disappointing player such as Russell is our best option. And maybe it's the dumbest move we can make. Not that I ever thought I was a living room cap specialist but at least I sort of understood our options.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah it's to the point where I have no clue what we can do. Maybe trading for a disappointing player such as Russell is our best option. And maybe it's the dumbest move we can make. Not that I ever thought I was a living room cap specialist but at least I sort of understood our options.

I don't understand a lot of the new CBA either.

I'm hoping that some teams that are going to hit the tax apron for multiple years might look at trading for the expiring contract of Chris Paul.

Waiving Paul and spreading his contract might be the best option for the Suns but then a contender would grab him.

 

[GatorAZ]

Russell is the PG version of DA. Thx but no thx.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Russell is the PG version of DA. Thx but no thx.

We're really in a mess. Seriously, I believe if Ayton had been drafted elsewhere he'd be a top target for us right now too.

 

[Yuma]

I saw what looked like click bait that said CP3 for DLo. Didn’t read it but what do you guys think about that?

It's a video of Ayton jamming himself on the rim during a pregame layup drill and covering his head so he doesn't get hit with the ball.

 

[Mainstreet]

We're really in a mess. Seriously, I believe if Ayton had been drafted elsewhere he'd be a top target for us right now too.

Let's triple down on the "mess" part. I hope there is an answer I'm not seeing.

I really want to move on from Paul and Ayton but we saw what the Suns looked like in Game 6 against the Nuggets without them.

The Suns future looked so bright for years to come before the trade deadline moves. They were in prime position with the new CBA.

 

[overseascardfan]

Here' s how I see it.

PHX isn't going to get replacement players for Ayton or Paul, they'd be getting depth players who would would support KD & Book at best. Worst case is they get back scrubs in a salary dump or guys on bad contracts.

I don't see TOR trading Van Vleet for Paul and even if TOR was that dumb, VV hasn't played a full 82 game season in his career and this season was dealing with back spasms which could be an issue for VV going forward. DAL wouldn't be interested in swapping Irving for Paul and I don't think PHX would want the baggage and drama Irving brings. I wouldn't mind a Paul deal that would net us a lower level PG in addition to depth in the frontcourt and wing depth but D'Lo deal may be the best offer PHX could receive. Say D'Lo signs a new deal for less than $20M a year (less would be better) but PHX would be better than PHX just waiving and stretching Paul's contract unless we do that and D'Lo is willing to take full MLE deal with PHX to play with Book.

Ayton may have more value than Paul but PHX more than likely will be getting role players in return that would provide depth than landing a 3rd star to team with KD & Book. I'm hoping for a deal better than and IND deal for Turner, DAL deal for Hardaway Jr and fillers or a POR deal for Nurkic but its hard to predict if his market will heat up before the draft.

 

[Hoop Head]

Russell is the PG version of DA. Thx but no thx.

Similar as far as production goes but Russel does try each night. He's just not very effective or efficient. I need to look up and see how he did in Golden State before I'd say no because he'd be in a similar role here. He would be ok as a 3rd tier star of sorts, hes not a legit star but he was an All-Star in Brooklyn a few years back and he was big for LA this year in a 3rd option role as well.

The more I think about it and the more I'd do it because he can probably be flipped again, like he was for Wiggins, and that might not be a bad move since I can almost guarantee he'll have more value than CP3 will in a year given how cash strapped the Suns are. I don't want to be in the position of deciding what to do with Paul again next off-season, although waiting him then makes a lot sense considering only like $1-2 million of his deal is guaranteed, which is essentially nothing.

 

[Mainstreet]

Similar as far as production goes but Russel does try each night. He's just not very effective or efficient. I need to look up and see how he did in Golden State before I'd say no because he'd be in a similar role here. He would be ok as a 3rd tier star of sorts, hes not a legit star but he was an All-Star in Brooklyn a few years back and he was big for LA this year in a 3rd option role as well.

The more I think about it and the more I'd do it because he can probably be flipped again, like he was for Wiggins, and that might not be a bad move since I can almost guarantee he'll have more value than CP3 will in a year given how cash strapped the Suns are. I don't want to be in the position of deciding what to do with Paul again next off-season, although waiting him then makes a lot sense considering only like $1-2 million of his deal is guaranteed, which is essentially nothing.

Won't D'Angelo Russell become an unrestricted free agent this summer or can the Lakers still trade him to Phoenix by a sign-and-trade for Paul.

Also, do the Lakers really want Paul?

 

[Hoop Head]

Won't D'Angelo Russell become an unrestricted free agent this summer or can the Lakers still trade him to Phoenix by a sign-and-trade for Paul.

Also, do the Lakers really want Paul?

Sign and trade.

I think the Lakers would take Paul. He'd give LeBron a buddy to pal around with. They aren't winning anything anyways so why not make LeBron happy? He's their unofficial GM. We all know he pulls the strings everywhere.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sign and trade.

I think the Lakers would take Paul. He'd give LeBron a buddy to pal around with. They aren't winning anything anyways so why not make LeBron happy? He's their unofficial GM. We all know he pulls the strings everywhere.

If that were the case, I'd do the trade. Maybe Russell keeps Booker happy.

 

[Proximo]

CP3 had an efficiency rating of of 17.7 to DLO's 16.3. They were not that far apart. DLO has had an efficiency rating as high as 19.9 (2019). So, I think he can be that player depending on the system and who is coaching him. He averages 6.2 Assists per game. He is no Chris Paul but who is that will be available and you can get? He is going to also give you close to 20 PPG. I am not saying DLO is the answer but you have to at least kick the tires on it if you can pull it off. He is likely going to be too expensive.

Well, I'm not a fan of CP3 either. I would like him gone.

I would much rather tryout young guys with upside than expensive veterans with no upside and subpar performance history.

I mean DLO was practically invisible in the last round for the Lakers.

 

[overseascardfan]

D'Lo isn't ideal but he is probably the best option as a 3rd wheel to Booker and Durant PHX can possibly get this offseason. He is very up and down, when he's on he's an All Star level player but he does fade every now and then. But with the trade packages we've seen, PHX either takes a chance on D'Lo or try and find a MLE guy that wants to play in PHX who can actually make an impact after you waive and stretch Paul. Unless there are some possibilities we don't know about behind the scenes, I can't see any team trading a good player for a declining Chris Paul or an unreliable Deandre Ayton.

 

[Proximo]

D'Lo isn't ideal but he is probably the best option as a 3rd wheel to Booker and Durant PHX can possibly get this offseason. He is very up and down, when he's on he's an All Star level player but he does fade every now and then. But with the trade packages we've seen, PHX either takes a chance on D'Lo or try and find a MLE guy that wants to play in PHX who can actually make an impact after you waive and stretch Paul. Unless there are some possibilities we don't know about behind the scenes, I can't see any team trading a good player for a declining Chris Paul or an unreliable Deandre Ayton.

If he is the best we can get as a third option, we should start shopping Durant for a rebuild right now.

We are going absolutely nowhere if he is the best 3rd option we can get - and I disagree he is the best we can do.

I don't even consider him to be a starting caliber player on a playoff team.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, I'm not a fan of CP3 either. I would like him gone.

I would much rather tryout young guys with upside than expensive veterans with no upside and subpar performance history.

I mean DLO was practically invisible in the last round for the Lakers.

The problem is, who are these obtainable young players and how do the Suns get them without draft picks.

 

[Hoop Head]

If he is the best we can get as a third option, we should start shopping Durant for a rebuild right now.

We are going absolutely nowhere if he is the best 3rd option we can get - and I disagree he is the best we can do.

I don't even consider him to be a starting caliber player on a playoff team.

You not considering him starting caliber is a bit of a joke. He started for the Lakers who had the best record in the league post trade deadline and were just in the western conference finals. So please tell us not only who these better options are but define "starting caliber" in your view because clearly it's different than what works.

 

[JCSunsfan]

DLo is not the answer for anything. He plays tissue soft D. Yikes. However, Proximos recommendation to shop Durant is silly too. You don't trade for a guy and ship him off two months later. I am not sure how firing Monty works with the FA scenario. I think Monty was more of a help than not in getting FA's. I think if we hire Nurse, FA's will look elsewhere. His rep with players is not good.

Still seems silly to me to fire Monty unless you already know you have someone better lined up. This coaching interview process says they clearly did not.

 

[Proximo]

The problem is, who are these obtainable young players and how do the Suns get them without draft picks.

To me that bar is damn low. I'm not so sure Saben Lee wouldn't be a better choice - and I think you know what I think of him.

 

[Proximo]

You not considering him starting caliber is a bit of a joke. He started for the Lakers who had the best record in the league post trade deadline and were just in the western conference finals. So please tell us not only who these better options are but define "starting caliber" in your view because clearly it's different than what works.

Well
Brogdan and Smart on Boston
Maxey or Harden off Philly
Brunson off NY
Dinwiddie - barely better, but better
Van Vleet
Jrue Holiday
Darius Garland
Gabe Vincent
Trae Young
Jamal Murray
Mike Conley
De'Arron Fox
Steph Curry
Russ Westbrook - yes this is debatable as well
Ja Morant
Josh Giddey
Devin Booker/CP3

So that is every playoff team other than the Lakers - IMO DLO isn't better than any of those PG's - which is why I don't think he is starting caliber for a playoff team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

DLo is not the answer for anything. He plays tissue soft D. Yikes. However, Proximos recommendation to shop Durant is silly too. You don't trade for a guy and ship him off two months later. I am not sure how firing Monty works with the FA scenario. I think Monty was more of a help than not in getting FA's. I think if we hire Nurse, FA's will look elsewhere. His rep with players is not good.

Still seems silly to me to fire Monty unless you already know you have someone better lined up. This coaching interview process says they clearly did not.

He's an answer to this question; who has a big rep and a big salary but often gets outplayed by G Leaguers? He's also an answer to this question; who can you possibly get in return for a high priced player like DA that often gets outplayed by G Leaguers?

He isn't a smart move for us but I'm not sure we have a smart move available to us that anyone could stomach right now. For a year or two we have an extremely longshot chance of putting a championship team around Booker and KD. And we've committed ourselves to making that effort, futile though it will likely be. Until we give up on that fantasy, we can't afford to make the smart moves, we have to make the desperate ones. JMO