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I'm not even talking about salary; I'm talking about opportunity cost. There's a reason why ILBs aren't usually taken in the Top 5 picks, and rarely in the top 10; they don't make a consistent impact on the game. Similar to a TE or safety or offensive guard.

From my list, I would say that seven of them are outright busts (if you want to exclude 2009 that's fine): Ginn, Gonzales, Carpenter,, Nugent, Plummer, Katzenmoyer, Montgomery (5 starts his rookie year, 0 the rest of his pro career). Hawk, Jenkins, Doss (never became a full-time player), Pickett and Plummer (have) never lived up to the expectations of the teams that drafted them. So of 21 players drafted in the first two rounds in a nine-year period, 11 have been real disappointments for the teams who drafted them.

IMO that stems from OSU being a massively talented team in a garbage conference. That's sort of the definition of "overrated".

I agree with you about Southern Cal, although I don't think that Miami(FL) is on that level as a program any longer.

Want to play the game with Southern Cal? 2000-2009:

2009 1 5 5 Mark Sanchez Jets QB
1 15 15 Brian Cushing Texans LB
1 26 26 Clay Matthews Packers LB
2 6 38 Rey Maualuga Bengals LB
2 24 56 Fili Moala Colts DT
2008 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis Saints DT
1 9 9 Keith Rivers Bengals LB
1 21 21 Sam Baker Falcons T
1 28 28 Lawrence Jackson Seahawks DE

2 8 39 Chilo Rachal 49ers G
2 17 48 Fred Davis Redskins TE

2 32 63 Terrell Thomas Giants DB
2007 2 13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR
2 19 51 Steve Smith Giants WR
2 27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C
2006 1 2 2 Reggie Bush Saints RB
1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals QB
2 7 39 Winston Justice Eagles T
2 9 41 Taitusi (Deuce) Lutui Cardinals G
2 13 45 LenDale White Titans RB
2005 1 10 10 Mike Williams Lions WR
1 31 31 Mike Patterson Eagles DT
2 5 37 Shaun Cody Lions DT

2 13 45 Lofa Tatupu Seahawks LB
2004 1 20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE
2 20 52 Jacob Rogers Cowboys T
2 30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR
2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB
1 16 16 Troy Polamalu Steelers DB
2000 1 29 29 R. Jay Soward Jaguars WR
2 6 37 Travis Claridge Falcons G


Since I was hard on OSU guys, I'm going to be hard on Southern Cal's. I think that guys like Shaun Cody and Fred Davis are solid players, but I'll give Cbus the benefit of the doubt.

I count 18 players out of 31 picks in the first two rounds (!). Maybe a little more than half, but is that mitigated at all by the fact that the players who did work out are multiple Pro Bowl performers? I mean, Chris Gamble is a solid cornerback, but do you count him the same as Troy Polamalu?

I think this shows a few things
1. The draft is a crapshoot. No matter what you did in college or who you player for, you're more than likely to end up a run of the mill player or bust then a star.
2. If you played for a top program in college, you have a solid chance of sticking in the league, though as a backup or fringe starter.
3. Finding star players is easier said then done. Scouts, GMs, coaches, successful teams, bad teams, all have their fair share of draft blunders.
4. There is an element of "luck" involved. There's no way of knowing for sure how a kid is going to react to millions of dollars and the speed of the NFL.

As for OSU, their players do maybe get over-hyped a little due to their success in college, but even though they might not live up to hype consistently, they still stick in the NFL. I think it's asking a bit much from any school to expect the majority of their top picks to be stars. It's what you hope for, but the statistics just show that you can't count on it.

So this brings me to my final point:

When you find a really good player, you do everything you can to keep him. This is what the Cardinals still haven't learned. Good players aren't a dime a dozen. Guys like Dansby and Boldin are worth the premium they cost.
 

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Didn't someone make an "action figure" of #7, only instead of playing football he was on the sideline, holding his helmet? :bang:
Yes. They made an action figure of #7. Problem is, the #7 left handed QB in a Cardinal uniform was black.
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LoL, that's exactly what it looks like

Judges would have also accepted "Jar Jar Binks"

Meesa run fast at the combine.

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at least post the kid saying it, mullit.

And that obesist, not racist. Or maybe conjoinedtwinist, because that definitely is a face where his stomach should be.
 

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at least post the kid saying it, mullit.

And that obesist, not racist. Or maybe conjoinedtwinist, because that definitely is a face where his stomach should be.
The ghost thing was awesome. Jarjar is racistracist. Not really I just wanted to type racistracist.
 

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at least post the kid saying it, mullit.

And that obesist, not racist. Or maybe conjoinedtwinist, because that definitely is a face where his stomach should be.

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George Lucas needs to demand royalties from that belly.
 

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Kerouc9....To say the Big Ten is overrated is ridiculous. All conferences go through up and downs. How hard is it to recruit in the SEC when you have great weather and ocean/lake views near campus???? How many 4.3 6'2 kids with great athletic ability want to play in 5 degree weather???? I graduated from Ohio State and they are BY FAR one of the most successful Sports Colleges in the country. But the fact their football team goes 10-1 almost every year is a huge credit to how good they really are. ANd you will see next year when Urban Meyer will be the coach at THE Ohio State University. He is from Ohio and it is almost a done deal(you heard it hear first...Ohio State will not keep Luke Fickell unless he wins the Championship this year)
Lets see how good Florida and LSU really are and play OSU, WIsonsin or Penn state on the road in November? And see how many FLoridians run 4.3 in sub teen weather on a rainy day. Anyway....

The Big Ten has produced major PRO players right now. Tom Brady(who is he) Charles Woodson...maybe the best QB ever to play and the top 3 best defensive players in last decade. But here is a list of just OSU players in the NFL as of now:

Will Allen Pittsburgh Steelers Safety
Jake Ballard New York Giants Tight End
Alex Boone San Francisco 49ers Offensive Tackle
Justin Boren Baltimore Ravens Guard
Bryant Browning Carolina Panthers Guard
Bobby Carpenter Detroit Lions Linebacker
Chimdi Chekwa Oakland Raiders Cornerback
Nate Clements Cincinnati Bengals Cornerback
Kurt Coleman Philadelphia Eagles Safety
Jim Cordle New York Giants Center
Chris Gamble Carolina Panthers Cornerback
Thaddeus Gibson Washington Redskins Linebacker
Ted Ginn San Francisco 49ers Wide Receiver
Anthony Gonzalez Indianapolis Colts Wide Receiver
Larry Grant San Francisco 49ers Linebacker
Brian Hartline Miami Dolphins Wide Receiver
Ben Hartsock Carolina Panthers Tight End
A.J. Hawk Green Bay Packers Linebacker
Cameron Heyward Pittsburgh Steelers Defensive End
Jermale Hines St. Louis Rams Safety
Santonio Holmes New York Jets Wide Receiver
Ross Homan Minnesota Vikings Linebacker
Malcolm Jenkins New Orleans Saints Safety
Michael Jenkins Minnesota Vikings Wide Receiver
Dexter Larimore New Orleans Saints Defensive Lineman
James Laurinaitis St. Louis Rams Linebacker
Nick Mangold New York Jets Center
Jake McQuaide St. Louis Rams Long Snapper
Mike Nugent Cincinnati Bengals Place kicker
Ryan Pickett Green Bay Packers Defensive End
Quinn Pitcock Detroit Lions Defensive Tackle
Terrelle Pryor Oakland Raiders Quarterback
Brian Robiskie Cleveland Browns Wide Receiver
Brian Rolle Philadelphia Eagles Linebacker
Robert Rose Miami Dolphins Defensive End
Anderson Russell Washington Redskins Safety
Brandon Saine Green Bay Packers Running Back
Dane Sanzenbacher Chicago Bears Wide Receiver
Darrion Scott Washington Redskins Defensive End
Rob Sims Detroit Lions Guard
Will Smith New Orleans Saints Defensive End
Austin Spitler Miami Dolphins Linebacker
Devon Torrence Minnesota Vikings Cornerback
Donald Washington Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback
Beanie Wells Arizona Cardinals Running Back
Donte Whitner San Francisco 49ers Safety
Antoine Winfield Minnesota Vikings Cornerback
Doug Worthington Washington Redskins Defensive Tackle

That is alot busts or not.
 

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Ohio State is 10-1 every year because they only play 1 good team--usually at home--and the rest of the time they're playing the other overrated teams in their conference.

Every football factory school has a list of players that are in the NFL, whether or not they're good or just roster hangers-on like Alex Boone or Justin Boren.

Just so you know, Peyton Manning is the best QB ever, and SEC product and played at Tennessee. People aren't going to appreciate how good he was until the Colts are 5-11 for the decade after he leaves.

The Pats win 10 games with Matt Cassell replacing Brady. How many games to the Colts win if Manning goes down? 3? 4?
 

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Just so you know, Peyton Manning is the best QB ever, and SEC product and played at Tennessee. People aren't going to appreciate how good he was until the Colts are 5-11 for the decade after he leaves.

The Pats win 10 games with Matt Cassell replacing Brady. How many games to the Colts win if Manning goes down? 3? 4?

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