Thoughts on 2nd Round pick of Campbell

[CorporalCardinal]

He was 280 last I checked, and 280 is much different on a 6-8 frame. He has a slender athletic build IMO. In fact, he looks like a giant LB to me. You are one of the few on here whose opinion I usually trust over mine as far as college guys go though so if you think he fits, I will rethink my position.

And Shogun converts another....hard to argue with him on college players.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

He was 280 last I checked, and 280 is much different on a 6-8 frame. He has a slender athletic build IMO. In fact, he looks like a giant LB to me. You are one of the few on here whose opinion I usually trust over mine as far as college guys go though so if you think he fits, I will rethink my position.

Rethink....rethink....it will make you feel better.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I really like Connor. He is an all effort all the time tackling machine.

Groves I like as a pass rusher.

Campbell just doesn't fit the D in my eyes. I am not trying to state it as fact, JMHO.

How does a a 6-8 - 290 lb DE, not fit a 3-4 scheme?

 

[CorporalCardinal]

We're going to have to find some linebacker help though if we really want to make the switch to 3-4 as our permanent base D as opposed to the hybrid craziness we've been running...and we still need some more depth on the line.

 

[cardsfanmd]

They are going to 'run over' a guy who is 6'8 and 282lbs? WTH?

The fact that you only think he could be 'serviceable' shows that you haven't even bothered to read up on the guy.

Riddle me this, who is easier to get leverage on, a 5-6 200lb guy or a 6-2 200lb guy.

His weight is spread out over a bigger frame, thus giving him a higher center of gravity, making it easier to get up under him and push back.



Weaknesses: Does not chance directions well, lacks ideal top-end speed and is going to have a harder time turning the corner at the NFL level. Doesn't have elite closing speed and is step slow getting to the quarterback at times. Doesn't always get great hand placement and isn't fast enough to recover in time to get to the quarterback when offensive tackles are able to lock onto him. High-center of gravity makes it difficult to get under offensive linemen's pads and struggles to anchor against double teams. Occasionally gets caught too far upfield and is vulnerable to draws. Appears to wear down late in games and needs to work on endurance.

As a 3-4 lineman it will be his job to regularly take on doubles and not give ground.

The fact that you dont understand this shows you have no place to speak out as to what I know.

 

[cardsfanmd]

We're going to have to find some linebacker help though if we really want to make the switch to 3-4 as our permanent base D as opposed to the hybrid craziness we've been running...and we still need some more depth on the line.

I agree about needing more depth on the line, but we are pretty stacked at LB right now.

LaBoy
Dansby
Hayes
Okeafor
Berry
Haggans
Beisal
Stewart
Holloway?

 

[Shogun]

How does a a 6-8 - 290 lb DE, not fit a 3-4 scheme?

Because that kind of height is detrimental when taking on multiple blockers for 3-4 lineman, especially if they don't have excellent hands. Guys like Ty Warren, Aaron Smith, and Richard Seymour around around "6'4-6'6" and they are thicker. Campbell is taller and will have to work for his a little more. I'm not saying that Campbell is a perfect fit for a 3-4, but because we have a one-gap hybrid system, I think we'll convert better than we initially believe because it should entail that he won't be handling two blockers all the time.

It's a solid pick and I definitely feel that Campbell can contribute. I feel that he just needs to refine his technique and how we'll use him. All in all, he really isn't as much a giant boom/bust as perceived and if the interior does it's job, the Calais pick will definitely pay dividends.

 

[CorporalCardinal]

I agree about needing more depth on the line, but we are pretty stacked at LB right now.

LaBoy
Dansby
Hayes
Okeafor
Berry
Haggans
Beisal
Stewart
Holloway?

I think Berry is probably going to be a better asset down on the line so we could have him, Chike, LaBoy, Hayes, Dansby, Branch/Watson, Smith/Campbell, and Haggans in the front seven.......but with Pendy who the heck knows what he'll run.

 

[Redsz]

From the same scouting report:

Plays with leverage, doing a nice job of dropping his shoulder and turn the corner

Strong run defender who plays with leverage and good knee bend but, when he gets tall in his stance, he can be ridden off the snap

Has the explosive initial step to defeat combo blocks, when he uses his hands to fend them off and is a disruptive penetrating

Must improve his anchor to neutralize double teams, but is able to stack and hold his ground when he drops his weight and plants his foot into the ground

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/calais-campbell?id=744

Seems I have every right to speak on what you know, as you don't even bother to read an entire scouting report. Like every other linemen, if they get too high they get ridden out of the play. What a shock.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I think Berry is probably going to be a better asset down on the line so we could have him, Chike, LaBoy, Hayes, Dansby, Branch/Watson, Smith/Campbell, and Haggans in the front seven.......but with Pendy who the heck knows what he'll run.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Dockett plays End, he IS the outside threat on the line.

Is DD really a steady/consistent/reliable "outside threat"?? I really don't see him that way at all...
I love Darnell and I like him alot at end, but I really don't believe he is "THE" outside threat at all...
Calais could very well turn out to be that guy as I believe his body & speed are much better suited than that of Dockett... I think Darnell is a more consistent run stopper than he is a QB rusher... And with a more serious threat at end, Darnell will be able to be that much more effective against the run!

 

[JeffGollin]

Unless this guy can put on some weight teams will just run over him.

He weighs 283 pounds - that's not exactly "light."

We should be careful not to wed this guy to schemes we've run (or not run) in the past due to the talent we had available at the time.

What I'm guessing is that - despite, our desire for a RB (especially after passing on Mendenhall and F Jones at #16) and the availablity of Ray Rice, Kevin Smith and Jamaal Charles when we picked at #50, the Cards had Campbell rated higher on their board and saw him bringing that 6-8, 283 pounds (with room to grow) and "arms like vines" to the table - and Pendergast probably drooled at the creative ways he can use the kid - thereby adding a dimension to our front seven that he didn't have before.

Knocks on Campbell were: (a) needs to get stronger, (b) must become more consistent and (c) has to overcome bad habits picked up under the new coaching staff at the "U." I believe all three of these deficiencies are fixable.

Kid appears to have a fantastic upside.

 

[cardsfanmd]

From the same scouting report:

Plays with leverage, doing a nice job of dropping his shoulder and turn the corner

Strong run defender who plays with leverage and good knee bend but, when he gets tall in his stance, he can be ridden off the snap

Has the explosive initial step to defeat combo blocks, when he uses his hands to fend them off and is a disruptive penetrating

Must improve his anchor to neutralize double teams, but is able to stack and hold his ground when he drops his weight and plants his foot into the ground

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/calais-campbell?id=744

Seems I have every right to speak on what you know, as you don't even bother to read an entire scouting report.

You are burying yourself deeper and deeper here.

I assure you I can tell you more about any prospect in this or any recent draft than you could say about your favorite player. I dont need to read the 1/2 page summary on him in this thread because I have been watching him play for the last 3 years (after he was redshirted and played scout team as a true freshman). If you are looking for a dummy go elsewhere.

Do you understand anything about the difference in positions and their requirement in different defensive schemes? Those things that you are so happy about him doing in a 4-3 are not what he will be asked of in our 3-4, and many of those positives can actually be negative in our system. We dont want him to be running around blockers all the time. He will be asked to take them on quite often so that our LBs can make a play on the ball.

I am just going to stop right now because this is pointless.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Is DD really a steady/consistent/reliable "outside threat"?? I really don't see him that way at all...
I love Darnell and I like him alot at end, but I really don't believe he is "THE" outside threat at all...
Calais could very well turn out to be that guy as I believe his body & speed are much better suited than that of Dockett... I think Darnell is a more consistent run stopper than he is a QB rusher... And with a more serious threat at end, Darnell will be able to be that much more effective against the run!

I think the Cards are preparing for the fact that Darnell will likely be gone soon and hopefully this guy will be ready to fill his shoes by then.

 

[Brewster10]

My thought:

Pendy and Whiz know alot more about the defense we'll be running than we do..

Therefore, if they deemed Calais one of the Top 30 players on the board (accoring got Graves in his PC).. then I believe they are pretty confident he'll be a good player in the defensive system

Im gonna trust our coach until he gives me reason not to believe..

So Im pleased with Day One

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think the Cards are preparing for the fact that Darnell will likely be gone soon and hopefully this guy will be ready to fill his shoes by then.

Another one of your predictions, I see...

Darnell has years to go on his contract... so where exactly is he going?

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I am just going to stop right now because this is pointless.

Ding ding ding.....we have a winner.

-

 

[red desert]

I was hoping the Cards took Conner, however, I had totally forgotten about Cambell so I was very surprised when they took him.

Love the pick.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Another one of your predictions, I see...

Darnell has years to go on his contract... so where exactly is he going?

The moon.

 

[hafey]

Per ESPN's review of the 2nd round pick of Campbell, "This pick gives the Cardinals valuable depth, but we see him as a better player versus the run. "

 

[Redsz]

You are burying yourself deeper and deeper here.

I assure you I can tell you more about any prospect in this or any recent draft than you could say about your favorite player. I dont need to read the 1/2 page summary on him in this thread because I have been watching him play for the last 3 years (after he was redshirted and played scout team as a true freshman). If you are looking for a dummy go elsewhere.

Do you understand anything about the difference in positions and their requirement in different defensive schemes? Those things that you are so happy about him doing in a 4-3 are not what he will be asked of in our 3-4, and many of those positives can actually be negative in our system. We dont want him to be running around blockers all the time. He will be asked to take them on quite often so that our LBs can make a play on the ball.

I am just going to stop right now because this is pointless.

You certainly rate yourself don't you?

Seeing as you have such an 'in depth' depth knowledge of these players and the Cardinals defensive schemes maybe you drop some knowledge. Do we, or do we not, ask our DE's to penertrate using one gap?

So it seems with my 'limited' knowledge of a players responsibilities, that it is unlikely that they are going to ask Campbell to hold a gap and anchor the LOS much like the Steelers do with their defensive ends. Infact with my limited understanding it seems is quite the opposite. Me thinks that with Campbells initital step and low pad level he will be able to do quite well at getting upfield.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Great pick and great value in the 2nd round.

Provides solid depth at DE. Should push A. Smith as the season goes on.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You certainly rate yourself don't you?

Seeing as you have such an 'in depth' depth knowledge of these players and the Cardinals defensive schemes maybe you drop some knowledge. Do we, or do we not, ask our DE's to penertrate using one gap?

So it seems with my 'limited' knowledge of a players responsibilities, that it is unlikely that they are going to ask Campbell to hold a gap and anchor the LOS much like the Steelers do with their defensive ends. Infact with my limited understanding it seems is quite the opposite. Me thinks that with Campbells initital step and low pad level he will be able to do quite well at shooting gaps.

The man is 6-8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where do you come up with this??? Low pad level for being a gargantuan doesn't mean low level.

Again, I am not saying the guy sucks, I just didn't see us going after him. Hopefully I am wrong, but regardless I am done wasting my time with this. It has been a long day of chicken wing devouring and beer chugging. Can we just agree to disagree so I can let my brain relax and enjoy this buzz I have been working on?

 

[slanidrac16]

Going into this season many scouts believed Campbell was going to be a top 10 prospect. A coaching change and bulking up to 290 hurt his play this year. I highly doubt that he simply forgot how to play football.

Our front office and coaching staff has repeatedly said they will be looking for players that fit our scheme. With that in mind I'm feeling quite good about Campbells addition to this team.

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Here you go Pendy. We are giving you a 6'8" and 280 lb beast who plays with a mean streak. Can you fit him into our system?

Uh , I think yes.

 

[joeshmo]

I think we'll convert better than we initially believe because it should entail that he won't be handling two blockers all the time.

Ding, Ding, Ding.

We dont run your typical 3-4 defense. We ask our 3-4 DE's to attack not take on double teams.