The worst part of this debacle...

[Renz]

...is that we wait all week for the game, put on our Cards gear, get psyched up, and then we have to sit through an effort like this!

After winning two in a row how can they be so flat? I see Mac's job fading into the sunset.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Renz
...is that we wait all week for the game, put on our Cards gear, get psyched up, and then we have to sit through an effort like this!

After winning two in a row how can they be so flat? I see Mac's job fading into the sunset.

As much as Mac is likeable - there really is no one else to blame.

 

[Shane]

Re: Re: The worst part of this debacle...

Originally posted by red desert
As much as Mac is likeable - there really is no one else to blame.

How about the players? Who are on the field?

 

[Skkorpion]

I didn't see flat.

I saw great effort but dumb scheming and play calling until it was too late.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by Renz
...is that we wait all week for the game, put on our Cards gear, get psyched up, and then we have to sit through an effort like this!

After winning two in a row how can they be so flat? I see Mac's job fading into the sunset.

I really don't know about "flat" or "poor effort". I think the Cardinals played hard today. They even got up off the deck to make it interesting late in the third quarter.

I'm not ready to lay it all on the coaches either.

I just think we got beat by a more talented team today.

 

[jmt]

Hey - we lost but not without effort. We will beat Cleveland next week to break the road skid. .500 may be hard but 7-9 will be okay with me if the front office continues to make the moves.

GBR!!!

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I didn't see flat.

I saw great effort but dumb scheming and play calling until it was too late.

ditto

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Originally posted by jmt
Hey - we lost but not without effort. We will beat Cleveland next week to break the road skid. .500 may be hard but 7-9 will be okay with me if the front office continues to make the moves.

GBR!!!

Browns will be hungry.

Hungrier than us.

 

[Red Air Force]

Re: Re: The worst part of this debacle...

I just think we got beat by a more talented team today.

I don't buy it.

Each team has weaknesses that can be exploited. However, due to our own poor coaching we were either unable to determine those weaknesses, or we were unable to adjust our own game plan to exploit them.

Either way this team is being handicapped by this staff, and I feel bad for them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: Re: The worst part of this debacle...

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
I don't buy it.

Each team has weaknesses that can be exploited. However, due to our own poor coaching we were either unable to determine those weaknesses, or we were unable to adjust our own game plan to exploit them.

Either way this team is being handicapped by this staff, and I feel bad for them.

while this may be true about Pittsburg's weakness - WR is not exactly our strength - I was dissapointed that we didn't come out of the shoot trying to attack, but with the play of our guys, sans Boldin, the coaching staff may just feel that our guys aren't capable of attacking downfield - I mean there were times that Blake had plenty of time but couldn't find anyone - I couldn't see down the field as I was only watching on TV but was he holding the ball because our WRs couldn't get open? Although there is no excuse for not even attempting a pass 20 yards down field until the game was out of reach.

 

[pinnacle]

was it me...or did the entire offense and coaching staff seemed shocked that bryant johnsons bomb catch in the 4th quarter worked..we were forced into it - and look what happened. Maybe it was just me being shocked that our 1st bombs away pass of the year worked. if we are in a 3 wide receiver set - and johnson and gilmore are on the field - at least one and maybe two of them can in theory get deep - but we usually try it once or 2x a game, it does not work and then we stop.

 

[SeattleCard]

Re: Re: The worst part of this debacle...

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
I really don't know about "flat" or "poor effort". I think the Cardinals played hard today. They even got up off the deck to make it interesting late in the third quarter.

I'm not ready to lay it all on the coaches either.

I just think we got beat by a more talented team today.

Yup - I totally agree with you.

 

[pinnacle]

and what happened to us being pinned way back on the 5 yard line and not trying the out pass to boldin when he clearly has single coverage. When we were backed up today and kept handing to shipp - we should have flipped it out to boldin more - it worked on the 98 yard play against detroit..

 

[conraddobler]

We are handicapped to some extent by experience at wr but Boldin just went off on the Steelers and could have all day had they schemed it right.

I don't buy it at all we have Freddie who knows what he is doing and Boldin. The other guys can run decoy routes our be taught a few specific routes that go with formations and it can be schemed around.

We have a solid Oline a solid QB a solid RB and a couple good recieving threats plus a few raw burners.... more than enough to do the job most teams don't get more than that.

Flat out bad game plan and just piss poor schemes....

 

[CaliCards]

B

Originally posted by conraddobler
We are handicapped to some extent by experience at wr but Boldin just went off on the Steelers and could have all day had they schemed it right.

I don't buy it at all we have Freddie who knows what he is doing and Boldin. The other guys can run decoy routes our be taught a few specific routes that go with formations and it can be schemed around.

We have a solid Oline a solid QB a solid RB and a couple good recieving threats plus a few raw burners.... more than enough to do the job most teams don't get more than that.

Flat out bad game plan and just piss poor schemes....

It could not be said any better. The Cards coaching and piss-poor-scheeming coupled with average QB management lost this game, not the kicker and the NFL refs. Down by 4 at the end of the 1sr half, and the Steelers playing just as poorly as the Cards, I just knew it would come down to which coach can get it on track in the 2nd half. Just look at the numbers: Maddox threw for 2 TDs on play-action-fake in the 3rd quarter and they never looked back. On the othere hand, the Cards conuld not sustain any momentum.

 

[pinnacle]

we needed a play call on offense real bad on a few occasions:

1. when we got the ball on the 17 after bettis fumbled..we got stuck at the 5. I knew the plays before the ball was snapped watching from Arizona..not good. Didnt we have like 1st and goal at the five - or something.

2. on the drive on the disputed call that we did not get by Johnson. We needed something out of the ordinary to punch it in. we were stalled at the 5 yard line - again - and the result was about the same. against green bay - we used the fake to shipp, blake rollout to hodgins for a td - but everyone figured that play out and it never worked again..how about rolling the right handed blake to the left..I think we have done this 2x all season...he probably could have ran it in they would have been so shocked.

also...a lot of third down is playcalling - I think we were 3 of 16..and alot of those failures never had a chance from the start

A td on the disputed ref call play (we got 0 points) and a td instead of a field goal - that gives us 14 more points...plus we would not have had to gone for two (we failed) and kicked an extra point - that gives us 15 more points....sure duncan would not miss two extra points in the same game.

One of the few play calls on offense was the tight end screen to jones on the right..I think we sat up shipp on a screen on the left - faked it..and flicked it out to jones on the right. Why we made a great call on that play and froze when we had a few downs to get five yards and stalled out is beyond me...

 

[8ndkorner]

I fear that the door just opened to allow Emmitt to start again. He'll be back next week correct?
If Shipp had bagged another 100 yd game it would have been a no brainer.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by 8ndkorner
I fear that the door just opened to allow Emmitt to start again. He'll be back next week correct?
If Shipp had bagged another 100 yd game it would have been a no brainer.

It still is a no-brainer.

Emmitt wouldn't have done half of what Shipp did.

 

[mulpwr]

Originally posted by conraddobler
We are handicapped to some extent by experience at wr but Boldin just went off on the Steelers and could have all day had they schemed it right.

I don't buy it at all we have Freddie who knows what he is doing and Boldin. The other guys can run decoy routes our be taught a few specific routes that go with formations and it can be schemed around.

We have a solid Oline a solid QB a solid RB and a couple good recieving threats plus a few raw burners.... more than enough to do the job most teams don't get more than that.

Flat out bad game plan and just piss poor schemes....

I guess you didn't notice the Steelers laid back late in the 3rd quarter and into the 4th. Trust me,the late yards the Cards get was because of a soft zone that the Steelers went to. When Cowher gets a big lead, like the 28 to 3 score, this is what always happens with this Steelers Defense. It ticks off every Steeler fan i know of.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by pinnacle
and what happened to us being pinned way back on the 5 yard line and not trying the out pass to boldin when he clearly has single coverage. When we were backed up today and kept handing to shipp - we should have flipped it out to boldin more - it worked on the 98 yard play against detroit..

The stats may not show it but our QB was off target much of the day. His passes on the blitzes were not even in the vicinity. What is with that play where he ran out of bounds rather than thow the ball away (for a loss).? Or defense and play calling against the numerous blitzes really sucked.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by john h
The stats may not show it but our QB was off target much of the day. His passes on the blitzes were not even in the vicinity. What is with that play where he ran out of bounds rather than thow the ball away (for a loss).? Or defense and play calling against the numerous blitzes really sucked.

Blake did make some really poor throws today. The blitzing really, really bothered him. We never did find an answer for their blitz schemes.

 

[8ndkorner]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
It still is a no-brainer.

Emmitt wouldn't have done half of what Shipp did.

Oh, I'm with you on that. My point is that somebody in the front office brought Smith in and paid him a lot of money to start (for whatever reason).

How many of us on this board are worried that Smith will be the starter when he returns? Even if they split the running game we are not as effective. But I don't see this team telling Smith that he is now the backup RB.

Now, with 3 100 yd. games in a row during Emmitts absence ........

 

[WisconsinCard]

One Question I have for Mac is why didn't we kick the field goal and make the score 28-12, a two posession game? There was still plenty of time left. Then the debacle over the reviewed play had would have never happened. The only thing I would consider as an excuse is that he didn't think Duncan would make it, hey he missed an extra point so anything is possible.