The Wheel of Time (Amazon Prime)

[Stout]

And 90% of it isn’t even in the books.

Yep. You don't have to strictly follow books to make a show. Pretty impossible to do that. This show has made some really bad changes early that have hurt the show. This episode kind of provides a fire break. I'll be interested to see where they go from here.

 

[Chaplin]

Yep. You don't have to strictly follow books to make a show. Pretty impossible to do that. This show has made some really bad changes early that have hurt the show. This episode kind of provides a fire break. I'll be interested to see where they go from here.

What do you think has hurt the show? I think the first episode had a lot of WTF moments but they’ve done a great job with the threads. Nothing they’ve done has hurt the show IMO.

Two examples are Thom in episode 4 (which is the part of the ep from the books) and especially Perrins convo with the Tinker. Heck the confusion with Mat and the Fade was great too, even if a bit derivative.

The Warder stuff was fantastic and even if the scenes aren’t in the books, it was a culmination of SEVERAL scenes in the books. They even added Logain backstory, which Jordan never did.

And I speculate that the guy Liandrin captures in episode 1 is Thom’s nephew Owyn. Just because.

 

[Stout]

What do you think has hurt the show? I think the first episode had a lot of WTF moments but they’ve done a great job with the threads. Nothing they’ve done has hurt the show IMO.

Two examples are Thom in episode 4 (which is the part of the ep from the books) and especially Perrins convo with the Tinker. Heck the confusion with Mat and the Fade was great too, even if a bit derivative.

The Warder stuff was fantastic and even if the scenes aren’t in the books, it was a culmination of SEVERAL scenes in the books. They even added Logain backstory, which Jordan never did.

And I speculate that the guy Liandrin captures in episode 1 is Thom’s nephew Owyn. Just because.

The glaring errors are the Dragon Reborn "prophecy," which continues to be eye-rolling bad, Mat's character, Thom early, Perrin and the whole-cloth creation of the fridged wife for no apparent reason because he then hasn't even thought about the fake trauma. The first few episodes were very meh. Without considering the books, they were still meh. The last two have been better, with the fourth being the best yet. I'm hoping the show has broken out now and will continue improving. The character of Nynaeve is a major improvement on the books, for sure.

Well, Thom said his nephew Owyn ended a much different way, so I don't agree

 

[Chaplin]

The glaring errors are the Dragon Reborn "prophecy," which continues to be eye-rolling bad, Mat's character, Thom early, Perrin and the whole-cloth creation of the fridged wife for no apparent reason because he then hasn't even thought about the fake trauma. The first few episodes were very meh. Without considering the books, they were still meh. The last two have been better, with the fourth being the best yet. I'm hoping the show has broken out now and will continue improving. The character of Nynaeve is a major improvement on the books, for sure.

Well, Thom said his nephew Owyn ended a much different way, so I don't agree

What do you mean? Owyn was gentled just like Thom described. We don’t know if that guy in episode 1 killed himself but he was a gentled male channeler. And the only male channelers that have even been mentioned is the Dragon, Logain and Owyn. Sounds reasonable to me. Lol

 

[Raze]

What do you think has hurt the show? I think the first episode had a lot of WTF moments but they’ve done a great job with the threads. Nothing they’ve done has hurt the show IMO.

Two examples are Thom in episode 4 (which is the part of the ep from the books) and especially Perrins convo with the Tinker. Heck the confusion with Mat and the Fade was great too, even if a bit derivative.

The Warder stuff was fantastic and even if the scenes aren’t in the books, it was a culmination of SEVERAL scenes in the books. They even added Logain backstory, which Jordan never did.

And I speculate that the guy Liandrin captures in episode 1 is Thom’s nephew Owyn. Just because.

I loved the Mat mislead. Mat's sickness is slowly being revealed to both the characters and the audience. Saidin or something else... one wonders.

The Liandrin casting appears solid. She has a unique face that fits the character. Bringing her in early opens a lot of doors. Especially exposing the different philosophies of the Ajah's sects (ALL colors included).

As to Mat, I would suggest he's more a reflection of Sanderson's Mat as opposed to Jordan's. I know Jordan invented him, but Sanderson perfected him. He literally stole the show in the last 3 books under Sanderson. (Especially how he uses that town that keeps resurrecting). He was the epitomy of the reluctant hero with amazing timing and inexplicable luck.

Spoiler

I totally agree that the new editions haven't hurt the show. The female suggestion for the Dragon Reborn doesn't appear to have affected much, although I agree its counter to the prophesy. (It also conflicts with when one of the Aes Sedai's suggests they might need the Dragon to fight the Dark One. Doesn't make much sense to worry about it if it's a woman since she'd be sane).

Liandrin being Black Ajah makes her a more interesting addition early on. Although the actress already looks tainted by the Dark One so I wouldn't be surprised if everyone sees it coming.

 

[Stout]

What do you mean? Owyn was gentled just like Thom described. We don’t know if that guy in episode 1 killed himself but he was a gentled male channeler. And the only male channelers that have even been mentioned is the Dragon, Logain and Owyn. Sounds reasonable to me. Lol

Oooh, you're calling it's not fitting the exact timeline but farther back in time, which...yeah, I'm an idiot lol Totally feasible. It doesn't have to be a "present tense" scene.

 

[Chaplin]

Oooh, you're calling it's not fitting the exact timeline but farther back in time, which...yeah, I'm an idiot lol Totally feasible. It doesn't have to be a "present tense" scene.

There’s a lot of little things like this throughout the show.

 

[cheesebeef]

Nerds!!!!!!

 

[cheesebeef]

Nerds!!!!!!

Just kidding. Will it really take three episodes to get into this? I don’t have that kind of attention span anymore for really anything but would love a new binge.

 

[Chaplin]

Oooh, you're calling it's not fitting the exact timeline but farther back in time, which...yeah, I'm an idiot lol Totally feasible. It doesn't have to be a "present tense" scene.

You would think that “present tense” for Liandrin would be pursuing and capturing Logain. I don’t think there is enough show time for that first scene to happen at the same time as the Two Rivers stuff. AND put the Logain capture that quick.

 

[Chaplin]

Just kidding. Will it really take three episodes to get into this? I don’t have that kind of attention span anymore for really anything but would love a new binge.

If you’re not a book reader you may dig it. It’s the closest to the GOT style that has come out yet. A lot happens and that first episode does have some problems but it improves dramatically starting with episode 2.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even with this moving at a fast pace I’m finding it a slog. Too many characters without much development. I’m sure if you read the books you know who, and what, they are all are. But for someone that didn’t this is what I got:

A blue woman sorcerer who seems nicer than the red ones.
Her ninja buddy
Too good looking mannequin boring guy
The girl who likes the mannequin
Guy who kills wife but doesn’t seem to broken up about it
Smart alec with no depth
Cool screaming Voldemort without eyes
Kinda dumb looking minions
A bunch of guys in white sheets who are not nice

One of the four boring characters is the key to salvation.

That’s what I’ve got through 2 episodes.

 

[Chaplin]

Even with this moving at a fast pace I’m finding it a slog. Too many characters without much development. I’m sure if you read the books you know who, and what, they are all are. But for someone that didn’t this is what I got:

A blue woman sorcerer who seems nicer than the red ones.
Her ninja buddy
Too good looking mannequin boring guy
The girl who likes the mannequin
Guy who kills wife but doesn’t seem to broken up about it
Smart alec with no depth
Cool screaming Voldemort without eyes
Kinda dumb looking minions
A bunch of guys in white sheets who are not nice

One of the four boring characters is the key to salvation.

That’s what I’ve got through 2 episodes.

Each episode is better than the previous one, so keep watching.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Each episode is better than the previous one, so keep watching.

Planning on it.

 

[Chaplin]

Wolves baby, wolves!