The good, the bad, and the ugly!

[kerouac9]

I know, right? Like why give Rodgers adams and jones or dak Cooper lamb elliot and an expensive line or Brady evans Godwin Howard fournette brown and gronk or rothkisberger back in the day with bell brown and heap . . . oh

Meh. You get 3 complementary pieces over the long term. What has Dallas won? Rodgers doesn’t have those weapons AND a dominant OL.

Not everyone on your offense can be a pro bowler—especially when you can’t build through the draft. Hop, Ertz, and Humphries should be enough.

It’s not the fault of the complementary pieces that Kyler can’t play through the regular bumps and bruises of the regular season without turning into post-injury RG3.

 

[daves]

I know, right? Like why give Rodgers adams and jones or dak Cooper lamb elliot and an expensive line or Brady evans Godwin Howard fournette brown and gronk or rothkisberger back in the day with bell brown and heap . . . oh

Good point... but Heap was a Raven.

...dbs

 

[nashman]

Any team is in trouble if the starting QB goes down, it’s the nfl **** happens. An ankle sprain is hardly reason to think he’s not the QB here for years to come.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Good point... but Heap was a Raven.

...dbs

Always there to ruin a good argument with facts!

 

[daves]

Always there to ruin a good argument with facts!

Just keepin' it real! :-D

...dave

 

[BigRedRage]

Meh, right now I'm having a hard time with that "good" because we have an injury-plagued franchise QB. This will be two straight years of high injury impact on the team because of KM. Let's face it, until he's back in the lineup, our goose is cooked.

you make him sound like carson wentz or something

 

[Stout]

you make him sound like carson wentz or something

I know, I'm being highly reactionary. It's hard to get past the thought that the universe would go, "Sure, we'll give yinz a top franchise QB...but he'll never have a fully healthy season and you'll only ever squeak into the playoffs."

 

[Crimson Warrior]

you make him sound like carson wentz or something

Haha, nice. Let's break it down a little:

In 2019 Murry didn't miss any games. He may not have even missed any plays. Great.

Then, 2020, and the shoulder and foot injuries, both of which seriously derailed a promising season.

Now in 2021, out two games, with the possibility of a third looming. There was also the biceps or shoulder thing that happened during the either during the LA or SF game, and which he played through.

You guys know that I'm Murray's biggest fan, so my analysis of the above is surely biased. But thanks to the 2019 season, I don't think there's quite enough evidence yet to say that Murray has durability issues, and if he comes back this year and plays the rest of the games, hopefully everyone else will draw the same conclusion.

 

[Chopper0080]

What’s the point of paying a franchise QB $45 million a year if you have to surround him with expensive parts?

The line needs more. RBs are a whatever for me.

 

[Dynomite]

IMO until Kyler shows he can play an entire season we really can’t even count him as the long term answer
He misses a couple games next season and I’m diving back into the draft for a QB.... hell, might do it this year if there’s a guy.... at least have a talented backup that can make Murray look over his shoulder a bit

What a monstrously horrible take. Kyler is a top 8 qb in the league. And you want to dip into the draft for another qb. I swear a loss can really make peoples brains melt out of their head.

 

[Chopper0080]

The point of this thread is that once we pay Kyler, we aren't going to be able to afford a top OL, top RBs, top WRs, a top TE, and a top defense. You have to give up something. This is why the draft is so key. Cheap talent which improves key positions without having to pay huge money. Why you probably can't keep Green AND Kirk, but 1 is an option because Rondale is cheap.

 

[kerouac9]

The line needs more. RBs are a whatever for me.

Look we can't keep on drafting amazingly talented off-ball linebackers in the first round AND draft offensive linemen that can be productive starters in their first contract. It's simple math.

 

[Chopper0080]

Look we can't keep on drafting amazingly talented off-ball linebackers in the first round AND draft offensive linemen that can be productive starters in their first contract. It's simple math.

Good hell you know how to trigger me. It's like you know I watch Tampa games because of Brady and Wirfs.

 

[Chopper0080]

And I like Collins as a prospect still but I can't ignore that Darrisaw, Oweh, Phillips and Rousseau were all available and we passed for another ILB project. Some of this is Vance, but that was always the reality. Positional value is a thing.

 

[oaken1]

What a monstrously horrible take. Kyler is a top 8 qb in the league. And you want to dip into the draft for another qb. I swear a loss can really make peoples brains melt out of their head.

what a monstrously stupid opinion.

I dont give a damn about the loss.. not one whit.

what I do give a damn about is the redbirds having a QB they can count on every week.

when Kyler was drafted my concerns were injuries due to size and playstyle.... he has been adjusting his playstyle.... but we are losing games every season because kyler is hurt

so what do you do when your top THREE QB keeps going down and it costs you games.... or a playoff berth like last season?? what do you do?.... I aint a smart ****** like some of you guys but I think you get another QB you can count on..... draft a talented kid, second round maybe... and he pushes kyler.... not just at practice but during games.... then you have a quality backup....and kyler thinking, "**** this guy is pretty good I better not miss any time"...and if kyler goes down, this team will keep winning