The fumble berry picked up

[Russ Smith]

No conraddobler was saying that nobody whistled the play or waived the play dead. Which is incorrect and the reason for those responses.

We didn't hear a whistle on tv, obviously someone blew a whistle or waived it dead but it wasn't visible or audible on tv that's what people are saying.

I thought the call was correct, fumble can't be advanced because they had originally ruled it incomplete dead ball.

 

[Stout]

Sorry but this is wrong. An experieced crew would have done the same thing, ruled the ball dead and an incomplete pass. Or do experianced crews never blow their whistles on what looks to be an incomplete pass?

The only time a crew would let the play continue is if they originally thought it was a fumble, only to go back to the replay to see it was a forward pass, but that wasnt the case here, it was the opposite and there isnt a crew in the league that wouldnt blow the whistle on what they think is an incomplete pass.

Exactly. No one can say they looked at that play live and thought it was an incomplete pass. I didn't expect them to overturn the play until they showed it in slow mo.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We didn't hear a whistle on tv, obviously someone blew a whistle or waived it dead but it wasn't visible or audible on tv that's what people are saying.

I thought the call was correct, fumble can't be advanced because they had originally ruled it incomplete dead ball.

The call was correct once they reviewed the play. Like I said above, the referee waived the play dead.

 

[conraddobler]

What I said was no one on TV waived it off and I heard no whistle but I also said somewhere in here you can't see all the refs or hear all the whistles on tv.

So it happened about like I figured, someone you couldn't see on TV was waiving it dead.

 

[Big D]

Anyway you choose to look at it the bottom line is it was still a blown call. I thought the refs were taught NOT to blow the whistle and call plays dead on anything that is even remotely questionable. When Rolle's hand went up and then swiped down on the ball causing it to spin and flutter that should have been enough for them to swallow the whistle and let the thing play out IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Sorry but this is wrong. An experieced crew would have done the same thing, ruled the ball dead and an incomplete pass. Or do experianced crews never blow their whistles on what looks to be an incomplete pass?

The only time a crew would let the play continue is if they originally thought it was a fumble, only to go back to the replay to see it was a forward pass, but that wasnt the case here, it was the opposite and there isnt a crew in the league that wouldnt blow the whistle on what they think is an incomplete pass.

The let the play continue only applies to when the original call is a fumble, not incomplete call.

The refs did that play as perfect as you can get according to the rule book.

Experienced crews/referees have seen alot more and know that play could have just easily been a fumble as well as a incomplete pass,thus allowing it to continue. Or are you saying the guy in his first game as a referee,who was visibly nervous and shaky, and was lucky to get the team right he was calling a penalty, could have made a bad judgement. I'm not saying the call,after it was ruled incomplete,was wrong. I've seen Mike Perara, or whatever his name is, on NFLN say many times that they encourage the refs to let close plays play out and then review it rather than blowing the whistle to kill the play.

 

[Rivercard]

Is this the same ref who couldn't count to 12?

I wasn't aware that you could challenge a 12 man on the field penalty. What other penalties are challengable?

 

[conraddobler]

I wasn't aware that you could challenge a 12 man on the field penalty. What other penalties are challengable?

I dunno, it seems every game we're on the cutting edge of the rulebook.

What is hidden in this disgrace is the fact that they sent a rookie officiating crew to the NFC champs home kickoff game, that's a flat out slap in the face if nothing else.

What did we do to deserve the Q team? not the B team mind you, the worst team of officials in the league?

Now when we were 4-12 I could understand but we are the defending NFC champs, no respect ever.

 

[Rivercard]

I dunno, it seems every game we're on the cutting edge of the rulebook.

What is hidden in this disgrace is the fact that they sent a rookie officiating crew to the NFC champs home kickoff game, that's a flat out slap in the face if nothing else.

What did we do to deserve the Q team? not the B team mind you, the worst team of officials in the league?

Now when we were 4-12 I could understand but we are the defending NFC champs, no respect ever.

No kidding. This crew should have been sent to Seattle. I'd like to have challenged that very first offside call against us when the SF defender was still moving on the Cardinals side of the line of scrimmage!!! What the hell was that?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No kidding. This crew should have been sent to Seattle. I'd like to have challenged that very first offside call against us when the SF defender was still moving on the Cardinals side of the line of scrimmage!!! What the hell was that?

Agreed. SF DE jumped into the neutral zone, our lineman moved (like he should to force an offsides penalty) and they called a false start. Man I was pissed.

 

[joeshmo]

Experienced crews/referees have seen alot more and know that play could have just easily been a fumble as well as a incomplete pass,thus allowing it to continue. Or are you saying the guy in his first game as a referee,who was visibly nervous and shaky, and was lucky to get the team right he was calling a penalty, could have made a bad judgement. I'm not saying the call,after it was ruled incomplete,was wrong. I've seen Mike Perara, or whatever his name is, on NFLN say many times that they encourage the refs to let close plays play out and then review it rather than blowing the whistle to kill the play.

It was his first time being the head ref, it was not his or the other refs first rodeo. Dont confuse being first time head ref with being first time ref.

It looked like an incomplete pass on the field in real time, they blew the whistle, end of story. If refs swallowed their whistles on everything that MIGHT be they would never blow their whistles.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It was his first time being the head ref, it was not his or the other refs first rodeo. Dont confuse being first time head ref with being first time ref.

It looked like an incomplete pass on the field in real time, they blew the whistle, end of story. If refs swallowed their whistles on everything that MIGHT be they would never blow their whistles.

i'm not confused.It was a bad call. It didn't work out in the Cards favor just like the PI on Fitz. It could have gone either way but they made a call.

 

[conraddobler]

It was his first time being the head ref, it was not his or the other refs first rodeo. Dont confuse being first time head ref with being first time ref.

It looked like an incomplete pass on the field in real time, they blew the whistle, end of story. If refs swallowed their whistles on everything that MIGHT be they would never blow their whistles.

True enough but does anyone think Pittsburg would ever get this guy?

EVER?

No they won't not while he's new, and especially not in their home opener.

 

[joeshmo]

i'm not confused.It was a bad call. It didn't work out in the Cards favor just like the PI on Fitz. It could have gone either way but they made a call.

That was a flop without a doubt, but since that play isnt reviewable all the ref see's is the end result. I am surprised more CB's dont flop more often to be honest.