The Devin Booker non-appreciation thread.

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check out the highlights from the Knicks playoff collapse and how many times the Pacers were scoring on Bridges. He was part of the epic playoff collapses with Booker too. His defense is overrated and that's why I'd never want him back here.

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the Knicks still don't have a chance. Never did. And it's the same issue that plagues the Suns with Booker. Years ago when there was talk of uniting Booker with his good friend, Townes, i said no way because they're both bad decision makers and bad defensively.

early this season, i suggested trading Booker for Brunson, because, unlike Booker, Brunson is clutch in closing out games. But Brunson, plays Brunson-ball, like Booker-ball. And when he does, he negates the advantage of having Townes on the floor for offense.

add in Bridges, who is over-rated and not aggressive, and you duplicate the Suns recipe for failure

 
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you're right
ISHBIA needs to stop
or i need to stop watching

i can't imagine another nightmare season of Booker ball and AZ sports radio & TV BS!
especially after seeing real teams like OKC and Indiana play defense, make smart decisions, and clutch shots

the Suns are an irrelevant joke in this league

the only thing to look forward to would have been our high lottery pick next year but the geniuses traded that for Nurkic. And i can't say i'd look forward to being right again because it's become boring

ENJOY THE NEXT 5 YEARS of half-empty arenas occupied by basketball ignorant fanboys and girls
BECAUSE NO OTHER TEAM WILL TOUCH DEVIN BOOKER'S SALARY
AND NO FREE AGENT SUPERSTAR WILL SIGN ON HERE FOR THE DURANT TREATMENT
 

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the only thing to look forward to would have been our high lottery pick next year but the geniuses traded that for Nurkic. And i can't say i'd look forward to being right again because it's become boring

When did we trade a lottery pick for Nurkic? Lol. You continue making things up and running with them for some reason. You do it so often it is definitely intentional. Do tell though, which lottery pick was traded for Nurkic?
 
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i'm glad a minor detail (i pulled up from microsoft's ai) exposed your BS about tuning me out
Welcome to ignore.

welcome back. Though, as always, you completely ignore the most damning points
-- backed by Booker's overall season stats
 
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i'm glad a minor detail (i pulled up from microsoft's ai) exposed your BS about tuning me out


welcome back. Though, as always, you completely ignore the most damning points
-- backed by Booker's overall season stats

I wipe my ignore list at the end of every season, excuse me. Not surprised you're still lying and now saying it was AI lying instead of you.
 
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uh, what would it matter if i got that Nurkic info wrong or ai did? i still don't know if it's wrong or care.
 
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the stats are in.

Devin Booker 2024-2025 Season

OFFENSE RANKING
12th in points
15th in assists
239th in shooting percentage
307th in 3pt percentage
107th offensive rating
289th clutch rating
(33%, 18% 3pt. 7 career game winning shots- very low for a team's #1 option, go-to player over 11 seasons)

522th (of 568) DEFENSE RANKING

overall 434th +/- rating (OFFENSE + DEFENSE impact)

Booker will make more than Kevin Durant next season though Durant has better stats in all of the above except for assists. An expected 150 million extension will make him the highest paid player in NBA history.

Team Performance:
Worst Suns season several times. Best Suns season + NBA Finals + among top defensive team and clutch team with Chris Paul for 2 seasons. Back to among worst defensive and clutch team without Chris Paul. 7 coaches replaced over 10 seasons. Consistent team chemistry/motivation/meltdown problems though the team has been completely turned over and built around Booker many times.

THAT'S JUST THE FACTS. The stats are from NBA.com. Please do correct me if i misread anything.

THESE ARE THE FACTS THAT MATTER
and not you or any other Booker fanboy said one thing about them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or would you rather discuss which trade Nurkic was part of?
(i believe we did give up an important pick -- 1st round?)
 
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how bout you CardNots, you got the courage to say something about Booker's season stats and getting an extension that will make him the highest paid player in NBA history? or Nots?
 
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uh, what would it matter if i got that Nurkic info wrong or ai did? i still don't know if it's wrong or care.

It matters because it proves you're an unreliable source for information. You have a heavy bias against Booker. It's far beyond normal or rational. It's been pointed out repeatedly how most of your so called "data" is false so no one should believe whatever agenda you're pushing. No one is saying you need to be a Suns fan or a Booker fan but you continue to assert that no one can be a Booker fan and Suns together. It's odd. I've given up trying to determine why you are the way you are but as long as you provide easily identifiable fabrications, I'll point out your errors and your bias.
 
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Stop. Just stop.

how bout you dscher? Got something to say about the stats and salary? or is just that the truth hurts so you want it to "stop." If you admit that, i'll stop and spare the fans feelings.
 
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It matters because it proves you're an unreliable source for information. You have a heavy bias against Booker. It's far beyond normal or rational. It's been pointed out repeatedly how most of your so called "data" is false so no one should believe whatever agenda you're pushing. No one is saying you need to be a Suns fan or a Booker fan but you continue to assert that no one can be a Booker fan and Suns together. It's odd. I've given up trying to determine why you are the way you are but as long as you provide easily identifiable fabrications, I'll point out your errors and your bias.

but you didn't correct the Nurkic trade info! Lazy or just trolling? And i'm still waiting for your season stats, salary raise analysis/justification!
 

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but you didn't correct the Nurkic trade info! Lazy or just trolling? And i'm still waiting for your season stats, salary raise analysis/justification!

Then tell us, what lottery pick did we trade for Nurkic? That was your claim. You said it was wrong and now you are saying it's not? Troll more. You're absolutely incorrigible.
 

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how bout you CardNots, you got the courage to say something about Booker's season stats and getting an extension that will make him the highest paid player in NBA history? or Nots?
I’ve made my thoughts known previously, it’s time to cut the string. I would add, the great Suns teams always had a talent at their point guard position. Can we find one for Booker?

I don’t feel Booker on his own is worth that kind of money but very few players are.
 

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THESE ARE THE FACTS THAT MATTER
and not you or any other Booker fanboy said one thing about them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or would you rather discuss which trade Nurkic was part of?
(i believe we did give up an important pick -- 1st round?)
You're being a jerk, is that your goal? Disagree with the opinions, fine, but calling others fanboys is out of line. And he wasn't gushing over Booker, he simply called out your erroneous "fact". And instead of acknowledging your error you flip out and blame another poster for daring to call you on your error.
 

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I’ve made my thoughts known previously, it’s time to cut the string. I would add, the great Suns teams always had a talent at their point guard position. Can we find one for Booker?

I don’t feel Booker on his own is worth that kind of money but very few players are.
Yeah, he isn't in that elite class and other than one or two I'm not sure even they should be paid like that. This current CBA, along with the existing Supermax rules, is going to destroy the game for awhile IMO. OKC for example looks to be set for a decade plus but as soon as they give out their Supermax deal it will become a challenge to keep enough of the roster together to compete. They have a lot of picks which will help but more often than not the picks don't pay major dividends right out of the gate.
 
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there absolutely are fanboys on this site. the faniest of fanboys. fanboys elite. fanboys personified

how do you know if someone is a fanboy? they disregard the facts and the stats and instead of presenting any kind of evidence in support of a player, they attack the messenger

worst of all, they put their interest in one player ahead of the best interests of the team and the community
 

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there absolutely are fanboys on this site. the faniest of fanboys. fanboys elite. fanboys personified

how do you know if someone is a fanboy? they disregard the facts and the stats and instead of presenting any kind of evidence in support of a player, they attack the messenger

worst of all, they put their interest in one player ahead of the best interests of the team and the community
We've had "fanboys" here before but no, I don't agree there's a problem like that currently. We have maybe 3 active posters that are perhaps overly rose colored fans, the rest of us realize the mess we're in and the fact Booker isn't part of the solution. If you're seeing fanboys I think you must be running into it elsewhere and lumping our fans in with them. Like I said, very few of us are in favor of going forward with Devin although even fewer of us go as far as you do in denigrating him as a player.
 
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I’ve made my thoughts known previously, it’s time to cut the string. I would add, the great Suns teams always had a talent at their point guard position. Can we find one for Booker?

I don’t feel Booker on his own is worth that kind of money but very few players are.

agreed.
but why the hell do we need to "find one for Booker?" Why are so many so dedicated to supporting, defending, and building around one flawed, overpriced player?
 

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We've had "fanboys" here before but no, I don't agree there's a problem like that currently. We have maybe 3 active posters that are perhaps overly rose colored fans, the rest of us realize the mess we're in and the fact Booker isn't part of the solution. If you're seeing fanboys I think you must be running into it elsewhere and lumping our fans in with them. Like I said, very few of us are in favor of going forward with Devin although even fewer of us go as far as you do in denigrating him as a player.

I'm fine trading him if we can receive real value in return but considering how precarious our future is through the rest of the 20's, I don't think it matters if we pay him to stay or not.

I don't believe he has to go to turn things around since there is essentially nothing to be done that can turn things around until we're in full control of our own picks for at least 80%+ of the next 5 years. We don't Control our own pick now until 2032 or 2033, I can't recall which off the top of head, so we're in a terrible spot.

It isn't Booker's fault we traded a lottery pick for Nurkic though. ;) so I guess I'm a fanboy.
 
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We've had "fanboys" here before but no, I don't agree there's a problem like that currently. We have maybe 3 active posters that are perhaps overly rose colored fans, the rest of us realize the mess we're in and the fact Booker isn't part of the solution. If you're seeing fanboys I think you must be running into it elsewhere and lumping our fans in with them. Like I said, very few of us are in favor of going forward with Devin although even fewer of us go as far as you do in denigrating him as a player.

last poll i saw here, a small majority still preferred to build around Booker. All i'm doing is highlighting his deficiencies. The only denigrating is personal attacks on 1tinsoldier. (the latest is me being called a "jerk")
 

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agreed.
but why the hell do we need to "find one for Booker?" Why are so many so dedicated to supporting, defending, and building around one flawed, overpriced player?
Yes, he is flawed and overpriced but so are most of the highly paid players in this league. Unfortunately he's already overpaid as is so giving him a significant raise seems incredibly stupid to many of us. But none of that means he's not a good player. He is a good player but he's not good enough to carry a team to title contention and we don't have the assets to build around him. So we'd be a lot better off cashing him in now rather than using him up as we repeatedly struggle to win 30 to 40 games a season.
 

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I'm fine trading him if we can receive real value in return but considering how precarious our future is through the rest of the 20's, I don't think it matters if we pay him to stay or not.

I don't believe he has to go to turn things around since there is essentially nothing to be done that can turn things around until we're in full control of our own picks for at least 80%+ of the next 5 years. We don't Control our own pick now until 2032 or 2033, I can't recall which off the top of head, so we're in a terrible spot.

It isn't Booker's fault we traded a lottery pick for Nurkic though. ;) so I guess I'm a fanboy.
I want to trade him for a lot of reasons but one of them is that I'm still very fond of Devin. I think he's a good player, capable of being a very good player if we keep him at his natural position. But we're not going to compete for many seasons and I hate the idea of wasting his best years on a team like ours. Let him go somewhere else and be the great second fiddle he's capable of being.
 
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Then tell us, what lottery pick did we trade for Nurkic? That was your claim. You said it was wrong and now you are saying it's not? Troll more. You're absolutely incorrigible.

i told you what ai said. i'm not saying it was wrong or right
When did we trade a lottery pick for Nurkic? Lol. You continue making things up and running with them for some reason. You do it so often it is definitely intentional. Do tell though, which lottery pick was traded for Nurkic?

so, since you just wanted to troll instead of correcting the sentence, i looked it up again on ai

"The Phoenix Suns traded Jusuf Nurkić and a 2026 first-round pick to the Charlotte Hornets in exchange for forward Cody Martin and guard Vasilije Micić."

so, we traded a first to get RID OF NURK. a slight difference in the wording.

now, add that waste of time, trolling BS, to your admission that it's a mistake to build around Booker and i guess we can say instead of a Booker fanboy you're just a mere troll. A 1tinsoldier troll looking to insult another member here instead of having an intelligent debate. And again, you're in the wrong thread.

you should start a 1TINSOLDIER NOT-APPRECIATION THREAD
 
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