The Collin Gillespie Bandwagon Thread

[95pro]

Why?

He doesn't fit in our starting lineup and he's the obvious odd man out.

Because he makes 35M, we just are not doing that.

 

[Phrazbit]

Because he makes 35M, we just are not doing that.

Who cares? He's overpaid.

We have too many guys who dribble, don't pass and are bad outside shooters in the starting lineup. Gillespe as the starter with Green being the change of pace guy off the bench makes a ton of sense.

 

[95pro]

Who cares? He's overpaid.

We have too many guys who dribble, don't pass and are bad outside shooters in the starting lineup. Gillespe as the starter with Green being the change of pace guy off the bench makes a ton of sense.

I get it, your points are valid on certain levels. But paying a guy 35M to come off the bench says a lot of things about a player and a franchise, not a good look and would destroy any repour we have left after acquiring Bridges. Let's be realistic here.

 

[Phrazbit]

I get it, your points are valid on certain levels. But paying a guy 35M to come off the bench says a lot of things about a player and a franchise, not a good look and would destroy any repour we have left after acquiring Bridges. Let's be realistic here.

I don't think it would damage our reputation one iota... maybe with Green, but I don't think anyone outside the organization would bat an eye if Green came off the bench.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think it would damage our reputation one iota... maybe with Green, but I don't think anyone outside the organization would bat an eye if Green came off the bench.

Agreed. Green is no superstar, and he does not need to be babied either.

 

[clyde2tw]

Shot creation ability is crucial for winning in the playoffs. OKC, Spurs, Knicks all have plenty of it. Suns were poor at it. Booker regressed over the year, against improving defense league wise. Brooks surprised a bit with his turnaround jumper. We added Bridges who can create some at PF, and Peat has potential here. But the largest untapped potential lies with Green. The team has to help him improve there, and playing him as 6th man won't cut it.

 

[Phrazbit]

Shot creation ability is crucial for winning in the playoffs. OKC, Spurs, Knicks all have plenty of it. Suns were poor at it. Booker regressed over the year, against improving defense league wise. Brooks surprised a bit with his turnaround jumper. We added Bridges who can create some at PF, and Peat has potential here. But the largest untapped potential lies with Green. The team has to help him improve there, and playing him as 6th man won't cut it.

No offense... but I think those teams would steer 10 miles wide of a player like Green.

Those are not ISO teams, those teams are ball movement, catch and shoot... sure, when things break down, they rely on their star to pull something off. But those offenses are built largely on shooting and spacing and quick action. Green is the absolute antithesis of that.

Green isn't a shade away from Shai or Brunson... Green is Kelly Oubre.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No offense... but I think those teams would steer 10 miles wide of a player like Green.

Those are not ISO teams, those teams are ball movement, catch and shoot... sure, when things break down, they rely on their star to pull something off. But those offenses are built largely on shooting and spacing and quick action. Green is the absolute antithesis of that.

Green isn't a shade away from Shai or Brunson... Green is Kelly Oubre.

Some would’ve said KAT was the center version of green prior to his stint in New York. Players change with the right coaching and environment.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Shot creation ability is crucial for winning in the playoffs. OKC, Spurs, Knicks all have plenty of it. Suns were poor at it. Booker regressed over the year, against improving defense league wise. Brooks surprised a bit with his turnaround jumper. We added Bridges who can create some at PF, and Peat has potential here. But the largest untapped potential lies with Green. The team has to help him improve there, and playing him as 6th man won't cut it.

But the three point shooting is lacking now. This is why Collin has to start. The logical choice is to bring Green off the bench. Collin is a 40% 3 point shooter, ball handler, distributor, and a pretty good defender. He is the better fit with the starting lineup.

 

[clyde2tw]

Some would’ve said KAT was the center version of green prior to his stint in New York. Players change with the right coaching and environment.

Exactly. KAT transformed the 3rd (?) year after trade to NY. The first couple years there Suns fans valued him even worse than Green, due to former's max contract. Green has a quick first step as fast as Maxie or Mitchell, and strong enough to shoot through contacts. What separates him from them is control and speed changes. But the basic talent is there.

 

[clyde2tw]

But the three point shooting is lacking now. This is why Collin has to start. The logical choice is to bring Green off the bench. Collin is a 40% 3 point shooter, ball handler, distributor, and a pretty good defender. He is the better fit with the starting lineup.

3pt shooting % reflects the pressure the shooter got from defense. Booker and Green's are much more under pressure than Colin's.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

3pt shooting % reflects the pressure the shooter got from defense. Booker and Green's are much more under pressure than Colin's.

Yes and no. Pull up threes tend to be lower percentage with catch and shoot being higher percentage. Booker rarely took catch and shoot threes last year.

 

[GatorAZ]

Starting PG let’s hope. He had his first full season knowing how the grind goes.

 

[Phrazbit]

Some would’ve said KAT was the center version of green prior to his stint in New York. Players change with the right coaching and environment.

Fingers crossed, but KAT had some elite ability, but his flaws were almost as big. Green's problem is that he doesn't do anything well. He's uber athletic, but he's a bad defender, he's a bad finisher around the rim, he doesn't get the line much and he takes a ton mid ranger shots while being bad at making them. He also doesn't pass or rebound well.

What they need him to improve on the most is to act quickly, stop taking so long to decide if he's going to pass or shoot. The ball can't stop in his hands all the time.

 

[Yuma]

The only points I could make on Green coming off the bench as a sixth man, is it would help the roster starting five, and supply needed bench scoring.

The reason it could happen, we saw them make Bradley Beal come off the bench and he was paid a lot of money.

The reason it won't happen, we need to get Green's stock up if we intend to trade him next season as an expiring contract.

The only reason I see a trade this season, is swaps for bad contracts. There's a team with a SF, PF, C that is way overpaid, and they need a guard that is a scorer. We swap bad contracts.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

The only points I could make on Green coming off the bench as a sixth man, is it would help the roster starting five, and supply needed bench scoring.

The reason it could happen, we saw them make Bradley Beal come off the bench and he was paid a lot of money.

The reason it won't happen, we need to get Green's stock up if we intend to trade him next season as an expiring contract.

The only reason I see a trade this season, is swaps for bad contracts. There's a team with a SF, PF, C that is way overpaid, and they need a guard that is a scorer. We swap bad contracts.

jalen green is a starter - pure scorer - when he has off nights we got gillespie - kennard - spencer to sub in and play team ball with book

 

[GatorAZ]

The Collin Gillespie starting PG era is here.
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[Mainstreet]

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As suspected, Booker plays better with a point guard next to him.

 

[Superbone]

As suspected, Booker plays better with a point guard next to him.

I've been on the start Collin, bring JG off the bench crew for a while now.

 

[Yuma]

As suspected, Booker plays better with a point guard next to him.

Specifically a guy that can shoot over 40 percent from three.

 

[clyde2tw]

But Booker sucked in the playoffs, facing much tougher double-team defense than regular season, while Green played better.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've been on the start Collin, bring JG off the bench crew for a while now.

The Suns need to re-sign Green or trade him which makes decisions complicated.

 

[Mainstreet]

Specifically a guy that can shoot over 40 percent from three.

As long as the court is spread.

 

[GatorAZ]

I've been on the start Collin, bring JG off the bench crew for a while now.

Gillespie averaged more assists per game last year in 28 mpg than Jalen Green has in any season of his career. More importantly his AST/TO is much better.

It makes more basketball sense to pair our best player with the better PG and bring Jalen off the bench where nobody else can create their own shot.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Some would’ve said KAT was the center version of green prior to his stint in New York. Players change with the right coaching and environment.

That is a good observation.