Suns trade for Center Mark Williams

[Raindog]

Ok so you are right it’s not a massive or big upgrade. We mildly upgraded center. We are not better than trash.

Until something is done with his contract he’s here and that means he’s part of our future because a lot of what we can do is based on him and his contract. He’s here like it or not.

Oh I’m short sighted oh ok not the front office but me huh.

This is a 30 win team wow

Finito (who I don't often agree with) is right here. The Suns may be able to piece together what is technically a "team" from the various parts they now have. But by no means, is it going to be a "good team"... nor does in any way, the near future look very promising at putting together for that, with almost no draft capital or other remotely valuable assets on hand.

At this point, the only hope the Suns have at escaping NBA purgatory in the next few (or several) years is to somehow attract a Giannis/Jokic level free agent if/when one ever becomes available, OR just luck out like crazy with most of the few draft picks we actually still do own for the next several years.

Either of those are a pretty long shot to pin your hopes on. Frittering away whatever even late draft picks we own isn't likely to help much, especially if what we give them away for ends up not working out either. I am not saying that's a certainty with this particular trade, but it does need to be taken into consideration given that we have almost no margin for error.

 

[Chaplin]

Again you are only looking at the deal in isolation.

It is stupid not so much because 2 late firsts for Williams is a bad price - it's because we already had Nick Richards as a competent backup, and really only Ryan Dunn as a forward.

We need forwards and those 2 firsts were our best chance of getting them.

Maybe, maybe not. You're hitching your horse to two picks at the end of the first round. If you value late draft picks, fine, but you are really going all-in on this because it just happens to be a good reason to complain at the moment.

 

[Chaplin]

Finito (who I don't often agree with) is right here. The Suns may be able to piece together what is technically a "team" from the various parts they now have. But by no means, is it going to be a "good team"... nor does in any way, the near future look very promising at putting together for that, with almost no draft capital or other remotely valuable assets on hand.

At this point, the only hope the Suns have at escaping NBA purgatory in the next few (or several) years is to somehow attract a Giannis/Jokic level free agent if/when one ever becomes available, OR just luck out like crazy with most of the few draft picks we actually still do own for the next several years.

Either of those are a pretty long shot to pin your hopes on. Frittering away whatever even late draft picks we own isn't likely to help much, especially if what we give them away for ends up not working out either. I am not saying that's a certainty with this particular trade, but it does need to be taken into consideration given that we have almost no margin for error.

We aren't in purgatory yet. Many here think that the KD trade was addition by subtraction. But there are a few, including yourself, that are taking a sky is falling approach, that honestly will always be your outlook no matter what the Suns do.

 

[Proximo]

How are we going to move Beal or Grayson without draft comp to dump some salary and also get under the 2nd apron and somehow get a useful PF in the deals?

If we can't dump salary forget any free agents beyond the min.

It might have been possible with those 2 week firsts, certainly more possible than the bunch of seconds we have.

There is one answer to all our problems - trade Booker, I just don't think they are willing to do it.

 

[SirStefan32]

Again you are only looking at the deal in isolation.

It is stupid not so much because 2 late firsts for Williams is a bad price - it's because we already had Nick Richards as a competent backup, and really only Ryan Dunn as a forward.

We need forwards and those 2 firsts were our best chance of getting them.

Williams is significantly better than Richards. This is an upgrade.

Additionally, I'd argue that you are the one looking at the deal in isolation. They have time to add some forwards and a point guard or two. Season is not starting tomorrow.

 

[Proximo]

Williams is significantly better than Richards. This is an upgrade.

Additionally, I'd argue that you are the one looking at the deal in isolation. They have time to add some forwards and a point guard or two. Season is not starting tomorrow.

Not saying he isn't an upgrade - but how big an upgrade? We are talking about 15 minutes a game - and the difference between the 2. That isn't that big a deal.

 

[BirdGangThing]

it's not that im upset about this but come on man - this could only happen to ish - any other gm would've set the williams deal in place and pushed it thru once we were at the podium because you never know - and because you never show your cards - but the impulsivenish reared it's immature head once again

again tho - i'm not big mad - it's more funny to me because ish showing his ass is becoming less and less upsetting - it's not as shocking - normalized lol and what are you gonna do? care? forgetaboutit - laugh it off - don't listen to what your wife says some emotions are better left suppressed

 

[Proximo]

Williams is significantly better than Richards. This is an upgrade.

Additionally, I'd argue that you are the one looking at the deal in isolation. They have time to add some forwards and a point guard or two. Season is not starting tomorrow.

How - minimum salary players? How often do they make a meaningful contribution?

You really believe you can get anything other than garbage back for Beal? Don't see help there.

Grayson or Royce aren't going to excite anyone. Maybe you can dump Grayson for a team looking for shooting, but I don't expect a very good player in return.

The only way we can balance the roster out is to trade Booker.

 

[Raindog]

We aren't in purgatory yet. Many here think that the KD trade was addition by subtraction. But there are a few, including yourself, that are taking a sky is falling approach, that honestly will always be your outlook no matter what the Suns do.

Wrong, dude. I was actually a supporter of the Durant trade, and even Beal to some extent, long after others were jumping off that bandwagon. And the same for supporting Ishbia. I was still pro-Ish well after a lot of you started hammering him.

But this offseason so far has most definitely not redeemed my faith in that. The transactions they have made so far should not inspire confidence that the Suns are in any way going to be improved next season.

We'll see what happens the rest of the summer, but adding a big time project, an injured more than he plays guy, and the 24 year old version of Bradley Beal (Green), who is redundant with Booker, doesn't correlate to anything to be inspired over.

 

[BirdGangThing]

They agreed on the Williams trade 4 days before the draft

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[Finito]

How are we going to move Beal or Grayson without draft comp to dump some salary and also get under the 2nd apron and somehow get a useful PF in the deals?

If we can't dump salary forget any free agents beyond the min.

It might have been possible with those 2 week firsts, certainly more possible than the bunch of seconds we have.

There is one answer to all our problems - trade Booker, I just don't think they are willing to do it.

Right!

The reason Orlando gave up so much is because they had to incentivize Memphis to take the KCP contract.

If you want to move Beal you have to make it worth it for a team. Sending 29 and that future 1 and some second rounders with Beal makes it worth it.

 

[Finito]

We aren't in purgatory yet. Many here think that the KD trade was addition by subtraction. But there are a few, including yourself, that are taking a sky is falling approach, that honestly will always be your outlook no matter what the Suns do.

The sky isn’t falling it already fell.

We have a ton of money tied up in crap and we have no assets. Lol dude this team is going to suck

 

[Chaplin]

The sky isn’t falling it already fell.

We have a ton of money tied up in crap and we have no assets. Lol dude this team is going to suck

And yet, nobody knew we'd get who we got at #10 and nobody knew we were trading for another center. To think that we are in a vacuum and every move is THE move is crazy, especially on June 26th. We're 100% not done yet, so we have no idea what this team will look like come September 1st, heck we might not even know until October 1st.

 

[SirStefan32]

How - minimum salary players? How often do they make a meaningful contribution?

You really believe you can get anything other than garbage back for Beal? Don't see help there.

Grayson or Royce aren't going to excite anyone. Maybe you can dump Grayson for a team looking for shooting, but I don't expect a very good player in return.

The only way we can balance the roster out is to trade Booker.

They have Grayson or O'Neal to trade. They have Martin and Richards to either trade or cut to get under the second apron, which frees up a bit of an exception. They have a few second-round picks to include in some of those trades. Let's chill out and see what else they add. They need one PF, one point guard, and bring back Gillespie and maybe Bol (PF and a forward). It's not like they have 10 shooting guards and five centers on the roster and nothing else.

 

[SunsTzu]

They agreed on the Williams trade 4 days before the draft

Did Charlotte leak it just as the Suns picked Khaman for the lols?

 

[Ronin]

Suns Taking Massive Risk With Mark Williams Trade

The Phoenix Suns have a new center in Mark Williams after acquiring him from the Charlotte Hornets. In the deal, the Hornets got the No. 29 pick (draft rights t

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[Ronin]

Comparing Lakers & Suns Trade Packages To Hornets For Mark Williams

Comparing the trade package the Charlotte Hornets received from the Phoenix Suns for center Mark Williams to the Los Angeles Lakers'.

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[BirdGangThing]

Comparing Lakers & Suns Trade Packages To Hornets For Mark Williams

Comparing the trade package the Charlotte Hornets received from the Phoenix Suns for center Mark Williams to the Los Angeles Lakers'.

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lukas helped us out far as price goes

 

[Hoop Head]

I know it's massive overkill, but I'd like to keep Nick Richards until the Suns get the Suns the center position figured out.

Although, not related, keeping Cody Martin would help solidify the Suns at forward.

I'd prefer we bring back Plumlee. I think he has more to offer in huddles and practice than Richards. Ultimately either would see very limited minutes and the gap between what they might produce is negligible.

 

[leclerc]

Do we have anything resembling a PF? Oso? Bol is too skinny and the rest are seriously undersized.

Right now what would the rotation be?

Williams/Maluach
Brooks (yuck)/Oso
Dunn/Martin
Booker/Beal
Green/Gillespie

 

[BirdGangThing]

Do we have anything resembling a PF? Oso? Bol is too skinny and the rest are seriously undersized.

Right now what would the rotation be?

Williams/Maluach
Brooks (yuck)/Oso
Dunn/Martin
Booker/Beal
Green/Gillespie

closest thing we have to a pf is brooks and oneale - both 6'6" - neither are known for rebounds which a true pf needs to do

ive been paying attention to rebounds in this new tough and gun league - power forwards are faster than centers so they can wait around for a rebound - still get up and down

we don't have anything that resembles any of that

 

[SirStefan32]

Dunn is the closest thing to a PF they have right now.

 

[taz02]

Williams averaged 10+ rebounds in 26 minutes. If he stays healthy, he solves a lot of problems.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Dunn is the closest thing to a PF they have right now.

till he steps on the scale - love me some dunn but power is not his bag

 

[taz02]

We can get by with smaller PF's if we have two 7ft giants knocking people around.