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So you somehow think a point guard can overcome not having a generational talent? Who pre tell is this mythical point guard - and if he does exist how the hell could this team acquire him since we have almost no tradeable assets.

I'll tell you who the best point guard we can possibly get is - Devin Booker.

Jalen Green is a better player than Giddey, and thankfully I think Suns management knows that for once.
We know this is not true. Book struggles at pg. He does pretty good passing out of double teams so he gets assists, but not as in running an offense.

Giddey is a fun player to watch. He is a creative distributor and a pesky defender. He is big too.
 

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So you somehow think a point guard can overcome not having a generational talent? Who pre tell is this mythical point guard - and if he does exist how the hell could this team acquire him since we have almost no tradeable assets.

I'll tell you who the best point guard we can possibly get is - Devin Booker.

Jalen Green is a better player than Giddey, and thankfully I think Suns management knows that for once.

Devin Booker is a bad PG. I also don’t think there is one we can get to right this mess, especially with our lack of assets which is why we need to trade Book.

But the idea that the PG is completely unnecessary in today’s NBA as a blanket statement doesn’t hold a lot of water to me.
 
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Devin Booker is a bad PG. I also don’t think there is one we can get to right this mess, especially with our lack of assets which is why we need to trade Book.

But the idea that the PG is completely unnecessary in today’s NBA as a blanket statement doesn’t hold a lot of water to me.
There’s no question that Book is and should be a pure SG. It’s his best role. But, in your mind, what qualifies him as a “bad” PG?
 

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IMO Book is not a good point guard. I doubt Gregory and Ish care. They must trade for one or fail again with Point Book or point guard by committee. Maybe Ott has a system he believes will work with the players he has. Maybe he has not seen Point Book in playoff games.

IMO they need one, or play CG12 heavy minutes.
 

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There’s no question that Book is and should be a pure SG. It’s his best role. But, in your mind, what qualifies him as a “bad” PG?

He is not good at handling pressure. He picks up his dribble very quickly, which good point guards don't do.

That said, to me it's not about him being a bad point guard. Hell, I don't even think he is "bad" as a point guard. It's more about him being a great shooting guard- if he is playing the point, he is not doing what he does best.
 

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He is not good at handling pressure. He picks up his dribble very quickly, which good point guards don't do.

That said, to me it's not about him being a bad point guard. Hell, I don't even think he is "bad" as a point guard. It's more about him being a great shooting guard- if he is playing the point, he is not doing what he does best.
Agree with your first point. I’ve said it for years now, blitz Booker with a double team he ends up in a corner near the half court and ends up passing to someone else who has to come out to half court thereby putting the ball in a less offensively talented players hands as far from the. Basket as possible with dwindling seconds. I’d do it to Booker all game long because he seemingly never finds the guy that burns the double.

I do think he’s a bad PG because . . . he’s not a pg. he’s an absolutely fantastic passing shooting guard. And that would make him great . . . as a shooting guard. But it doesn’t make him a pg. he doesn’t set the table or put pressure on a defense or probe a defense the way lesser players need a pg to do to set the rest of them up to play their roles and have success.

Having Booker play point is like forcing your great PF to play center. It just puts you at an automatic disadvantage.
 

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He is not good at handling pressure. He picks up his dribble very quickly, which good point guards don't do.

That said, to me it's not about him being a bad point guard. Hell, I don't even think he is "bad" as a point guard. It's more about him being a great shooting guard- if he is playing the point, he is not doing what he does best.
book will play both spots - which position ends up helping the team most should be the determining factor - probably could change from games to game
 

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He is not good at handling pressure. He picks up his dribble very quickly, which good point guards don't do.

That said, to me it's not about him being a bad point guard. Hell, I don't even think he is "bad" as a point guard. It's more about him being a great shooting guard- if he is playing the point, he is not doing what he does best.
Agreed. My biggest problem with Devin at the one is his defense, that and the fact he was elite at the two and nowhere close to that at the point. But he's developed quite a bit as a lead guard and today I'd say he's slightly above average offensively as a PG though he's clearly outmatched when he has to defend that position. Put an elite 2 next to him though and a quality big man down low and point book might be a lot more effective than we've seen in the past. Now we just need Green to become elite and our center additions to work out for us.
 

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There’s no question that Book is and should be a pure SG. It’s his best role. But, in your mind, what qualifies him as a “bad” PG?
He really struggles to run an offense. He gets assists but that is passing out of a double team or in the course of a play. He tends to make bad passes turn the ball over a lot when running the offense. This is exaggerated in the 4th Q of close games. Initiating an offense is just not what he is good at. Honestly, I think Jalen Green would easier make the transition to pg, and I am not saying that will be a good idea either.

We will see how good a coach Ott is early. If he can make those two work together without a true pg, I will be quite impressed.
 

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He is not good at handling pressure. He picks up his dribble very quickly, which good point guards don't do.

That said, to me it's not about him being a bad point guard. Hell, I don't even think he is "bad" as a point guard. It's more about him being a great shooting guard- if he is playing the point, he is not doing what he does best.
That's because, while he's a good enough passer, he's not a particularly good ballhandler - which is obviously the other most important aspect of being a PG.

How often have we seen him get the ball stripped by a defender, dribble it off his foot, dribble into a double team, etc.? Especially in critical situations when he's looking upcourt to try and develop a play? That ability to control the ball while also setting up a play is what actually makes a good PG... and Booker, for all his offensive skills, greatly lacks that aspect.
 

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Agreed. My biggest problem with Devin at the one is his defense, that and the fact he was elite at the two and nowhere close to that at the point. But he's developed quite a bit as a lead guard and today I'd say he's slightly above average offensively as a PG though he's clearly outmatched when he has to defend that position. Put an elite 2 next to him though and a quality big man down low and point book might be a lot more effective than we've seen in the past. Now we just need Green to become elite and our center additions to work out for us.
If defense is the issue, I think Jalen Green can cover the smaller quicker guards. Green isn't known for his D but he has the athletic tools.
 

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If defense is the issue, I think Jalen Green can cover the smaller quicker guards. Green isn't known for his D but he has the athletic tools.
I really don't know much about Jalen but yeah, he appears to have the physical gifts to be able to defend quicker players than Devin can. But I think having a Gobert like defender down low would help the most.
 

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There’s no question that Book is and should be a pure SG. It’s his best role. But, in your mind, what qualifies him as a “bad” PG?
He doesn’t recognize double teams fast enough and repeatedly gets himself caught in them near the half-court, and also doesn’t have the handles/foot speed to effectively be able to attack the rim, draw the D and kick out to open guys. So he’s not good at initiating offense for the entire team, which is the PG’s main job.

It’s not like we haven’t seen Booker as PG yet, so the jury’s still out on that. We saw plenty of that before CP3 and the offense was terrible and for those who say he’s grown so much since then, we just watched back to back seasons where we got another big dose of Booker ball and watched it continually bog down and get bad looks.

And that’s only one half of the court. When you throw in that he’s also a really bad defender forced to guard smaller/quicker PGs and you end up with a mediocre at best PG on offense (and this is being generous, IMO) and terrible on D. That combo equals a bad PG, overall.
 
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I heard they may pursue CP3. I think their strategy is to get so many guys that get hurt, the odds are some will be healthy some of the time, but not all unhealthy all of the time.

Sounds like the Dodgers pitching staff.
 
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A callout here seems completely unnecessary, but you do you.

It wasn't intended as a callout.

I wanted to let you know the intent of my original post was to inject some humor/sarcasm into the situation because we had been down that road so many times before.

That's why I had used an ellipsis and a smilie face.
 

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The more I see of Giddey, the more I think he would be a great fit here.
That's my son's favorite PG now. The problem with Giddy, is he is way more offensive minded than defensive. He's not a cone on defense, but he's not a scrappy aggressive guy that would be in the "alignment" we are looking for.
 
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i think we somewhat know what to expect from most our players but nhd is the straight wildcard - did he bring his confidence with him?
 

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