Suns Hire Ott as New Coach

[Chaplin]

I know I'll get flamed for this, but does anyone see any parallels in the Cardinals situation from a few years ago when we hired Gannon?

 

[Cheesebeef]

All that said, hopefully this is like a total drunk getting a random bullseye at the bar in a game of darts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know I'll get flamed for this, but does anyone see any parallels in the Cardinals situation from a few years ago when we hired Gannon?

Not really for me. I wasn’t doing cartwheels over Gannon but at least he has just been the DC for a great defense that helped the Eagles get to the Super Bowl which gave me a little hope. Ott doesn’t have anything like that as far as his experience so far.

 

[Chaplin]

Not really for me. I wasn’t doing cartwheels over Gannon but at least he has just been the DC for a great defense that helped the Eagles get to the Super Bowl. Ott doesn’t have anything like that as far as his experience so far.

Except being a major part of a team that was tops in the league (or at least the Eastern Conference) for the entire season. Sure, it's no super bowl, but you have to give credit where it's due.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man there’s just so little info on this guy. I just keep seeing “reputation for ‘offensive and defensive creativity, player development and communication," repeated over and over. Where does he hang his hat? What evidence of something he concocted or created can we look at to determine what we have?

Apparently he was books first choice, but I don’t know if that’s good or bad.

At least he’s not a retread. Would’ve liked for him to have had some signature element about him to look forward to. The Michigan state thing is a valid concern and even if ott ends up good makes ishbia look like a clown.

Here’s hoping it all works out. Won’t bag on the dude until we see what tricks he’s got in his arsenal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Except being a major part of a team that was tops in the league (or at least the Eastern Conference) for the entire season. Sure, it's no super bowl, but you have to give credit where it's due.

It’s a team that totally flamed out early in the playoffs. That can’t be discounted either. And being a Defensive Coordinator is a lot more than being a second assistant on the bench, IMO.

The case you’re making to consider the hiring similar to Gannon probably would have held closer with Bryant who was an associate head coach. That’s closer to the level of responsibility of a DC, than just another assistant, IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The one thing I continually don’t get is radio guys saying “well, you gotta give Ish the benefit of the doubt”… uh…. Why? He got that after the KD trade… he may have even gotten that after the Vogel hire/fire… but after consecutive HC firings in back to back seasons, he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah don’t get that. So far virtually every move the team has made has backfired or been a dismal failure (other than Dunn). He lost any benefit of the doubt about 5 moves ago.

 

[Chaplin]

It’s a team that totally flamed out early in the playoffs. And being a Defensive Coordinator is a lot more than being a second assistant on the bench, IMO.

The case you’re making to consider the hiring similar probably would have held closer with Bryant who was an associate head coach. That’s closer to the level of responsibility of a DC, than just another assistant, IMO.

Fair.

 

[Chaplin]

Yeah don’t get that. So far virtually every move the team has made has backfired or been a dismal failure (other than Dunn). He lost any benefit of the doubt about 5 moves ago.

I think Ott deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's really up to him to prove that Ishbia made the right move. So far, with coaching, Ishbia has shown to be... not good.

 

[jf-08]

I'm hoping the Mich State connection is just kowwinkadink.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know I'll get flamed for this, but does anyone see any parallels in the Cardinals situation from a few years ago when we hired Gannon?

Not really. Gannon was a coordinator on a Super Bowl team and there wasn’t any nepotistic-like connection to ownership.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Except being a major part of a team that was tops in the league (or at least the Eastern Conference) for the entire season. Sure, it's no super bowl, but you have to give credit where it's due.

But only for a season. It’s not like he’s been there developing that team and its youth for a long time. That said, we have no insight into how much or little he played in their success this year. So he could’ve been the linchpin who unlocked them, who knows?

 

[Chaplin]

Not really. Gannon was a coordinator on a Super Bowl champion and there wasn’t any nepotistic-like connection to ownership.

I obviously wasn't referring to the nepotism, but ok.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think Ott deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's really up to him to prove that Ishbia made the right move. So far, with coaching, Ishbia has shown to be... not good.

I don’t know that I’d say he “deserves” the benefit of the doubt, but he’ll get it from me until he gives me reason to doubt him. The only pall over his hire is that a poor decisionmaker chose him, which makes me a little understandably skeptical regarding his choice.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm hoping the Mich State connection is just kowwinkadink.

Man it’s tough to swallow that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I obviously wasn't referring to the nepotism, but ok.

Where were you seeing the similarities? Just each being a coach on a good team? I think that’s kind of baseline for hiring an assistant coach to be your head coach.

 

[Chaplin]

I don’t know that I’d say he “deserves” the benefit of the doubt, but he’ll get it from me until he gives me reason to doubt him. The only pall over his hire is that a poor decisionmaker chose him, which makes me a little understandably skeptical regarding his choice.

But that's not really his fault. He's our coach and for now we have to either live with it or not. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now, but give me 20 games and that may change. We also have no idea what this team is going to look like in a month.

 

[Chaplin]

Where were you seeing the similarities? Just each being a coach on a good team? I think that’s kind of baseline for hiring an assistant coach to be your head coach.

Not from our track record the past several years.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But that's not really his fault. He's our coach and for now we have to either live with it or not. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now, but give me 20 games and that may change. We also have no idea what this team is going to look like in a month.

Very true. And I’ll give more than 20 games considering it (a) maybe a rebuilt roster; (b) if not rebuilt it’s a roster we know has serious flaws; (c) it may be an entirely new system and it may take time to implement. Now if he displays Porter or Watson level coaching, maybe the torches and pitchforks come out at 20 games. Guess we’ll see.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don’t know that I’d say he “deserves” the benefit of the doubt, but he’ll get it from me until he gives me reason to doubt him. The only pall over his hire is that a poor decisionmaker chose him, which makes me a little understandably skeptical regarding his choice.

Same.

Him being young/not a retread is all I can hang on to for hope here. That maybe we stumbled into a diamond in the rough.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not from our track record the past several years.

We weren’t hiring assistant coaches. We were hiring retreads.

 

[Dback Jon]

We Ott to know this would be the way Ish works

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Leaning right into it, huh? This is the most amateur hour front office I can remember. The Ishbia era started out with such promise.

Ishbia is Dan Snyder/Jerra with less controversy. Thinks his $ makes him the smartest guy in the room.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

We Ott to know this would be the way Ish works

The Alanis Morisette hire.

 

[Chaplin]

Ishbia is Dan Snyder/Jerra with less controversy. Thinks his $ makes him the smartest guy in the room.

We can probably all agree on that.