Only if you’re buying that Collins is already deemed to be a bust. Just like many, I’m sure that Keim felt that Collins was the best player available at 15 when we drafted. And it’s not like Hicks is a young player in his prime. He’s getting long in the tooth. Those on this board that have dogged Keim the last few years have already been proven wrong, so I’ll take the odds that they’ll be wrong here too.
The difference I would argue there is that Campbell was here on a one year contract and wasn't the leader on defense or play caller. Simmons and Campbell were both learning the Cardinals defense where Hicks is handled all play calls on defense.
No one is defending Collins because no one knows anything. But you seem to be the only one blasting him based on incomplete evidence. But that's your MO, always looking for something to complain about with this team.
Oh, man, the hardcore Collins defense on here is hilarious. It's like it's WWI on the board and posters are desperately trying to defend every inch of turf.
Fact: Collins isn't playing much--3 snaps last game.
Fact: Collins isn't playing over Vallejo and Walker, I think his name is.
Fact: Collins is playing far less than even Simmons played last year.
Everything else is conjecture. You know, you can really enjoy the run this team is on AND be disappointed we haven't gotten any impact, or even snap count contributions, from our 1st-round pick.
Hmm, I think “wrong” is an incorrect word. They were right in previous years. Each year a GM makes moves and each move should be judged both individually and in the aggregate. For instance, we could win a super bowl this year and due to the flimsy reliance on one or two year contract older vets fade back into the non playoff realm thereafter. At which point it would be appropriate to judge those years as failures. He’s really an interesting mixed bag of success and failure. Was integral in the arians success, was also integral in allowing that success to fade instead of maintaining it, had a hand in wilks debacle, has been involved in resurgence. pretty good on one year deals, great on trades, mediocre at best drafting, hasn’t managed a continuity of a roster as evidenced by our pending free agency debacle.
I think his evidence is pretty clear: not playing over Vallejo and walker. We can only guess at the reason, but that’s an indisputable fact at this juncture.
Actually, Collins played and Vallejo didn't this week, so there is that. Collins only subbed in for Hicks and Walker came in for four Goalline plays to be an extra LB. So the evidence is not complete and reinforces my opinion that Collins is shadowing Hicks and not in on sub packages for that reason.
Yup. It's a comment on this season and his lack of snaps. While I think he's going to be a bust, I can't know that for certain, just as those who think they know for certain he'll come good can't know that for certain. I'm sticking to "Just the facts" here
Didn’t Vallejo not play due to injury? So that “evidence” has no merit. And if a player in their 12th week doesn’t have the capability to shadow a player and learn a handful of sub package plays that amounted to four snaps, that’s a concern. You can say it’s not. But it’s clearly a concern.
I don't know if it's a concern, that my point. No one does! If he doesn't play 80% or more of the snaps week 1 next year, then I will be concerned. Until then, I'm not. Also, if Hicks wasn't playing at a high level, I would also be concerned. They drafted Collins to take over for Hicks and he has been subbing in for him.
I'll leave it with this. You've always been great at writing fiction and I wholeheartedly mean that. This is another example of that!Yup. It's a comment on this season and his lack of snaps. While I think he's going to be a bust, I can't know that for certain, just as those who think they know for certain he'll come good can't know that for certain. I'm sticking to "Just the facts" here
Hmm I guess I just don’t see the difference between week 1 next year and week 13 this year. They are both well into his career and times by which many players (particularly 1st round picks) are significant contributors. Week 1 next year is an arbitrary decision date that’s founded more in humans’ bizarre desire for definitely determinable concepts (like making 1,000 yards, or age 50 birthday, special marks). What’s more relevant is at what point should a team expect a 1st rounder to be a significant contributor. It’s not only not unreasonable, but I would say it’s a high expectation for that mark to be after a significant amount of weeks in a rookie season otherwise it’s worthwhile to wonder why it’s not happening.
What’s the fiction? The fact that he’s not playing much? The fact that he’s playing less than JAGs? Those are facts. Everything else that’s been raised is conjecture.
cardswire.usatoday.com
“Davis sees scaling back the work as a normal part of the development cycle rather than a setback in how Collins has progressed.”Cardinals purposely avoiding 'sink or swim' philosophy with rookie LB Zaven Collins
Cardinals purposely avoiding 'sink or swim' philosophy with rookie LB Zaven Collins
Linebackers coach Billy Davis believes letting Collins play through mistakes on this roster doesn’t benefit anyone on team, including Collins.
People want instant gratification.....What can you do?smh
