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With substantial money to spend the Cards approached the free agency market conservatively. At 76 I’d appreciate a little more haste at joining the playoffs. Still I understand with a new staff all around it makes sense to avoid major commitments that will restrict future options. They face no likely departure of their own key players in 2024, so they appear to be focusing on building a foundation, perhaps with a view to a more aggressive free agency period in 2025. At this point they seem mostly pointed toward mistake avoidance.

They appear to have done a good free agency job of targeting reliable, steady performers who can help stabilize units. Much of their focus was on defense with a few key offensive players. Overall they acquired some players with upside, but mostly not likely future Pro Bowl players. They followed the expected pattern of focusing on the trenches. However, they’ve left some critical areas to address.

The most glaring remaining concerns are WR and Edge. At WR they signed Chris Moore and he should help provide depth. My understanding is the Cards will target a WR with their first pick, but a good trade offer could impact which of the top 3 receivers they select. It only makes sense to assume they target an Edge with their second pick. They could target Turner or Verse with their first pick to resolve the edge deficiency. However, I’m hearing they want a WR first.

There may be another issue at Edge. At 27 Latu could be available. He has pass rush potential, but he’s weak against the run. He may end up being just a pass rush specialist. Chop Robinson could be there. He has a huge upside, but at this point is woefully lacking in technique. He will struggle to be effective in the NFL until he acquires a better skillset. The other Robinson, Darius, would likely be there. He also lacks technique but is stronger against the run than the other 2. He is meaner than the others, but doesn’t have the rush ceiling they do. The concern is none of the three likely yields 8 or more sacks in year one. Latu would probably gets the most, but even he is not a certainty to do so. Waiting to pick an Edge at 35 is not practical as there’s a gap beyond these 3 and it’s even conceivable all 3 are gone before 27. If it goes that way, think CB.

I don’t like the re-signing of Wilkinson, but they seem to have moved off an early OT. It wouldn’t shock me if they use pick 35 on a guard straight up or an OT they could play at guard. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them go CB with this pick, as the board will be favorable.

Also on the horizon is the rumor the Vikes will trade 11 & 23 to the Cards. The 3 key WRs could go 4,5 & 6. If the Cards drop to 11 they’ll have to change tactics. The Cards would then likely shift to Turner at 11. Ossenfort went wild over him at the Combine. They’d take Mitchell at 23, DeJean or Wiggins at 27 and perhaps another WR at 35. I’d only consider that strategy if they signed a veteran receiver like Williams. They need a lead dog. This sequence certainly fills another hole, but fails to gain an offensive impact weapon they badly need. I’d rather trade with the Giants for 6 & 47. The Cards get their WR at 6, an Edge at 27 and at 47 they could take a CB (Lassiter or McKinstry). They could also take a LG candidate, maybe Suamataia or Beebe.

Trade or no trade this draft is set up to alter the Cards future for much of the next decade. It’s a deep draft and the Cards have a plethora of picks. With a handful of the right picks this team could be well on their way to the playoffs.
 

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Harry, agree with everything you wrote. If I'm Monti, I'm trying to figure out do I take MHJ at #4, assuming he's available, or trade with the Giants figuring that I can get either MHJ or Nabers, whichever one the Chargers don't select at #5. And, naturally I have no idea how Monti ranks the top three WR's. But I am pretty certain that WR will be the first pick. Again, thanks for your 'take'.
 

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I agree with your analysis Harry but one of the problems with this years draft is the lack of top quality edge rushers. There are a few in Turner and Verse but not much beyond them.Those that may be available at #27 as you stated are nothing special. I also feel the Cards need to get one of the 3 top WRs else they won't have a true#1.
Cards have lots of holes to still fill in the draft. Rebuilding is a slow process for sure especially with the Cards conservative approach.
 

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With substantial money to spend the Cards approached the free agency market conservatively. At 76 I’d appreciate a little more haste at joining the playoffs. Still I understand with a new staff all around it makes sense to avoid major commitments that will restrict future options. They face no likely departure of their own key players in 2024, so they appear to be focusing on building a foundation, perhaps with a view to a more aggressive free agency period in 2025. At this point they seem mostly pointed toward mistake avoidance.

They appear to have done a good free agency job of targeting reliable, steady performers who can help stabilize units. Much of their focus was on defense with a few key offensive players. Overall they acquired some players with upside, but mostly not likely future Pro Bowl players. They followed the expected pattern of focusing on the trenches. However, they’ve left some critical areas to address.

The most glaring remaining concerns are WR and Edge. At WR they signed Chris Moore and he should help provide depth. My understanding is the Cards will target a WR with their first pick, but a good trade offer could impact which of the top 3 receivers they select. It only makes sense to assume they target an Edge with their second pick. They could target Turner or Verse with their first pick to resolve the edge deficiency. However, I’m hearing they want a WR first.

There may be another issue at Edge. At 27 Latu could be available. He has pass rush potential, but he’s weak against the run. He may end up being just a pass rush specialist. Chop Robinson could be there. He has a huge upside, but at this point is woefully lacking in technique. He will struggle to be effective in the NFL until he acquires a better skillset. The other Robinson, Darius, would likely be there. He also lacks technique but is stronger against the run than the other 2. He is meaner than the others, but doesn’t have the rush ceiling they do. The concern is none of the three likely yields 8 or more sacks in year one. Latu would probably gets the most, but even he is not a certainty to do so. Waiting to pick an Edge at 35 is not practical as there’s a gap beyond these 3 and it’s even conceivable all 3 are gone before 27. If it goes that way, think CB.

I don’t like the re-signing of Wilkinson, but they seem to have moved off an early OT. It wouldn’t shock me if they use pick 35 on a guard straight up or an OT they could play at guard. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them go CB with this pick, as the board will be favorable.

Also on the horizon is the rumor the Vikes will trade 11 & 23 to the Cards. The 3 key WRs could go 4,5 & 6. If the Cards drop to 11 they’ll have to change tactics. The Cards would then likely shift to Turner at 11. Ossenfort went wild over him at the Combine. They’d take Mitchell at 23, DeJean or Wiggins at 27 and perhaps another WR at 35. I’d only consider that strategy if they signed a veteran receiver like Williams. They need a lead dog. This sequence certainly fills another hole, but fails to gain an offensive impact weapon they badly need. I’d rather trade with the Giants for 6 & 47. The Cards get their WR at 6, an Edge at 27 and at 47 they could take a CB (Lassiter or McKinstry). They could also take a LG candidate, maybe Suamataia or Beebe.

Trade or no trade this draft is set up to alter the Cards future for much of the next decade. It’s a deep draft and the Cards have a plethora of picks. With a handful of the right picks this team could be well on their way to the playoffs.
Don't be fooled, Harry. They "keep their powder dry" every damned year and every damned year the narrative is that they'll spend NEXT year. Next year it will be 2026, and in 2026 it will be 2027. It is known.
 

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With substantial money to spend the Cards approached the free agency market conservatively. At 76 I’d appreciate a little more haste at joining the playoffs. Still I understand with a new staff all around it makes sense to avoid major commitments that will restrict future options. They face no likely departure of their own key players in 2024, so they appear to be focusing on building a foundation, perhaps with a view to a more aggressive free agency period in 2025. At this point they seem mostly pointed toward mistake avoidance.

They appear to have done a good free agency job of targeting reliable, steady performers who can help stabilize units. Much of their focus was on defense with a few key offensive players. Overall they acquired some players with upside, but mostly not likely future Pro Bowl players. They followed the expected pattern of focusing on the trenches. However, they’ve left some critical areas to address.

The most glaring remaining concerns are WR and Edge. At WR they signed Chris Moore and he should help provide depth. My understanding is the Cards will target a WR with their first pick, but a good trade offer could impact which of the top 3 receivers they select. It only makes sense to assume they target an Edge with their second pick. They could target Turner or Verse with their first pick to resolve the edge deficiency. However, I’m hearing they want a WR first.

There may be another issue at Edge. At 27 Latu could be available. He has pass rush potential, but he’s weak against the run. He may end up being just a pass rush specialist. Chop Robinson could be there. He has a huge upside, but at this point is woefully lacking in technique. He will struggle to be effective in the NFL until he acquires a better skillset. The other Robinson, Darius, would likely be there. He also lacks technique but is stronger against the run than the other 2. He is meaner than the others, but doesn’t have the rush ceiling they do. The concern is none of the three likely yields 8 or more sacks in year one. Latu would probably gets the most, but even he is not a certainty to do so. Waiting to pick an Edge at 35 is not practical as there’s a gap beyond these 3 and it’s even conceivable all 3 are gone before 27. If it goes that way, think CB.

I don’t like the re-signing of Wilkinson, but they seem to have moved off an early OT. It wouldn’t shock me if they use pick 35 on a guard straight up or an OT they could play at guard. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them go CB with this pick, as the board will be favorable.

Also on the horizon is the rumor the Vikes will trade 11 & 23 to the Cards. The 3 key WRs could go 4,5 & 6. If the Cards drop to 11 they’ll have to change tactics. The Cards would then likely shift to Turner at 11. Ossenfort went wild over him at the Combine. They’d take Mitchell at 23, DeJean or Wiggins at 27 and perhaps another WR at 35. I’d only consider that strategy if they signed a veteran receiver like Williams. They need a lead dog. This sequence certainly fills another hole, but fails to gain an offensive impact weapon they badly need. I’d rather trade with the Giants for 6 & 47. The Cards get their WR at 6, an Edge at 27 and at 47 they could take a CB (Lassiter or McKinstry). They could also take a LG candidate, maybe Suamataia or Beebe.

Trade or no trade this draft is set up to alter the Cards future for much of the next decade. It’s a deep draft and the Cards have a plethora of picks. With a handful of the right picks this team could be well on their way to the playoffs.

I think Dallas Turner is gone by 11. I'd be amazed if he gets passed the Falcons at 8 as Edge is by far the weakest room on their roster.

If I thought Turner was there at 11 I'd be ok with trading with the Vikings. If we could come out of round 1 with Dallas Turner, Adonai Mitchell (who is well undervalued IMO) and one of Johnny Newton/JPJ/Barton/McKinstry that is 3 day 1 starters.

Adonai Mitchell is being undervalued. He's tall and fast, a less jacked up DK Metcalf but with a route tree. It's not crazy to think Mitchell will end up as good as the top 3.
 

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I think Dallas Turner is gone by 11. I'd be amazed if he gets passed the Falcons at 8 as Edge is by far the weakest room on their roster.

If I thought Turner was there at 11 I'd be ok with trading with the Vikings. If we could come out of round 1 with Dallas Turner, Adonai Mitchell (who is well undervalued IMO) and one of Johnny Newton/JPJ/Barton/McKinstry that is 3 day 1 starters.

Adonai Mitchell is being undervalued. He's tall and fast, a less jacked up DK Metcalf but with a route tree. It's not crazy to think Mitchell will end up as good as the top 3.
That would be typical Same Old Cards.
 

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The concern is none of the three likely yields 8 or more sacks in year one
Honestly this should never be a concern when you’re drafting players. Especially if you project them as a 10+ sack guy after a year or two.

Will Anderson didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie. Myles Garrett didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie. TJ Watt didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie.
 

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Honestly this should never be a concern when you’re drafting players. Especially if you project them as a 10+ sack guy after a year or two.

Will Anderson didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie. Myles Garrett didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie. TJ Watt didn’t get 8 sacks as a rookie.

And Azeez Ojulari did have 8 sacks as a rookie
 

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I think Dallas Turner is gone by 11. I'd be amazed if he gets passed the Falcons at 8 as Edge is by far the weakest room on their roster.

If I thought Turner was there at 11 I'd be ok with trading with the Vikings. If we could come out of round 1 with Dallas Turner, Adonai Mitchell (who is well undervalued IMO) and one of Johnny Newton/JPJ/Barton/McKinstry that is 3 day 1 starters.

Adonai Mitchell is being undervalued. He's tall and fast, a less jacked up DK Metcalf but with a route tree. It's not crazy to think Mitchell will end up as good as the top 3.
I was watching a scouting video on Adonai Mitchell, and at the combine he was asked why he didn't look as fast on film and he said that he doesn't run all out in games to conserve his energy for later in games.

Mitchell was the third target in Texas' passing game, but by the end of the season, he was considered the best player.
 

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Also on the horizon is the rumor the Vikes will trade 11 & 23 to the Cards. The 3 key WRs could go 4,5 & 6. If the Cards drop to 11 they’ll have to change tactics.

So you are saying the Vikes are moving up to #4 for a WR?
 

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I was watching a scouting video on Adonai Mitchell, and at the combine he was asked why he didn't look as fast on film and he said that he doesn't run all out in games to conserve his energy for later in games.

Mitchell was the third target in Texas' passing game, but by the end of the season, he was considered the best player.

Yeah he's being undervalued because of the situation he found himself him but I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes somewhere like the Chiefs and has a 1200 yard season as a rookie. Lots of good stuff on his film that's right up there with the best in this class.

Reminds me of a faster Tee Higgins.

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Daniel Jeremiah's latest Mock has the Cardinals trading with the Vikings:


The Cardinals end up with :

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Jared Verse
Florida State · Edge · Senior
PROJECTED TRADE WITH MINNESOTA VIKINGS

The Cardinals trade back and still get an elite edge rusher in Verse.

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Brian Thomas Jr.


LSU · WR · Junior
PROJECTED TRADE WITH MINNESOTA VIKINGS

The Cardinals passed on a chance to pick a receiver at No. 4 in this scenario, but they still land a premier pass catcher after trading down.

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Byron Murphy II
Texas · DT · Junior
The Cardinals make the last of their three first-round picks in this projection and get the best interior pass rusher in the draft class. So, in this scenario, they wrap up Round 1 with arguably the best outside and inside pass rushers available and a receiver who offers as much upside as any pass catcher in this prospect crop.
 

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With substantial money to spend the Cards approached the free agency market conservatively. At 76 I’d appreciate a little more haste at joining the playoffs. Still I understand with a new staff all around it makes sense to avoid major commitments that will restrict future options. They face no likely departure of their own key players in 2024, so they appear to be focusing on building a foundation, perhaps with a view to a more aggressive free agency period in 2025. At this point they seem mostly pointed toward mistake avoidance.

They appear to have done a good free agency job of targeting reliable, steady performers who can help stabilize units. Much of their focus was on defense with a few key offensive players. Overall they acquired some players with upside, but mostly not likely future Pro Bowl players. They followed the expected pattern of focusing on the trenches. However, they’ve left some critical areas to address.

The most glaring remaining concerns are WR and Edge. At WR they signed Chris Moore and he should help provide depth. My understanding is the Cards will target a WR with their first pick, but a good trade offer could impact which of the top 3 receivers they select. It only makes sense to assume they target an Edge with their second pick. They could target Turner or Verse with their first pick to resolve the edge deficiency. However, I’m hearing they want a WR first.

There may be another issue at Edge. At 27 Latu could be available. He has pass rush potential, but he’s weak against the run. He may end up being just a pass rush specialist. Chop Robinson could be there. He has a huge upside, but at this point is woefully lacking in technique. He will struggle to be effective in the NFL until he acquires a better skillset. The other Robinson, Darius, would likely be there. He also lacks technique but is stronger against the run than the other 2. He is meaner than the others, but doesn’t have the rush ceiling they do. The concern is none of the three likely yields 8 or more sacks in year one. Latu would probably gets the most, but even he is not a certainty to do so. Waiting to pick an Edge at 35 is not practical as there’s a gap beyond these 3 and it’s even conceivable all 3 are gone before 27. If it goes that way, think CB.

I don’t like the re-signing of Wilkinson, but they seem to have moved off an early OT. It wouldn’t shock me if they use pick 35 on a guard straight up or an OT they could play at guard. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them go CB with this pick, as the board will be favorable.

Also on the horizon is the rumor the Vikes will trade 11 & 23 to the Cards. The 3 key WRs could go 4,5 & 6. If the Cards drop to 11 they’ll have to change tactics. The Cards would then likely shift to Turner at 11. Ossenfort went wild over him at the Combine. They’d take Mitchell at 23, DeJean or Wiggins at 27 and perhaps another WR at 35. I’d only consider that strategy if they signed a veteran receiver like Williams. They need a lead dog. This sequence certainly fills another hole, but fails to gain an offensive impact weapon they badly need. I’d rather trade with the Giants for 6 & 47. The Cards get their WR at 6, an Edge at 27 and at 47 they could take a CB (Lassiter or McKinstry). They could also take a LG candidate, maybe Suamataia or Beebe.

Trade or no trade this draft is set up to alter the Cards future for much of the next decade. It’s a deep draft and the Cards have a plethora of picks. With a handful of the right picks this team could be well on their way to the playoffs.
Agree on almost everything Harry thanks again ..but where does Gaines fit on this roster going into 2024 season? I have to wonder if he has a chnce to fill that left guard spot later this upcoming season. Or was the suprising move to re-sign Wilkinson because Gaines' rehab hasnt been where the team would like it to be at this point
 

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Daniel Jeremiah's latest Mock has the Cardinals trading with the Vikings:


The Cardinals end up with :

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Jared Verse
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PROJECTED TRADE WITH MINNESOTA VIKINGS

The Cardinals trade back and still get an elite edge rusher in Verse.

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Brian Thomas Jr.


LSU · WR · Junior
PROJECTED TRADE WITH MINNESOTA VIKINGS

The Cardinals passed on a chance to pick a receiver at No. 4 in this scenario, but they still land a premier pass catcher after trading down.

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Byron Murphy II
Texas · DT · Junior
The Cardinals make the last of their three first-round picks in this projection and get the best interior pass rusher in the draft class. So, in this scenario, they wrap up Round 1 with arguably the best outside and inside pass rushers available and a receiver who offers as much upside as any pass catcher in this prospect crop.
That's a haul!
 

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That is the T Sizzle trade down all over again.

Not even close. Rod Graves panicked when all of the players who they hoped to drop to them at #17 overall were all gone and selected a player who most had as a late 2nd early 3rd round pick in Calvin Pace. Graves then followed it up by selecting a WR at #18 who most thought would be a 2nd round pick in Johnson.

In DJ's mock, he has the Cardinals selecting the Best Edge and Best DT in the class as well as an elite prospect at WR.
 

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Don't be fooled, Harry. They "keep their powder dry" every damned year and every damned year the narrative is that they'll spend NEXT year. Next year it will be 2026, and in 2026 it will be 2027. It is known.
That's not really true. We haven't really been in a position to 'spend next year' in most years because we haven't had the cap space like this year in most years.
 

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That's not really true. We haven't really been in a position to 'spend new year' in most years because we haven't had the cap space like this year in most years.
Yeah, no. We had plenty last year, and were told to wait for this year. Now we're getting the same rumblings of "not this year, but next year."
 

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Yeah, no. We had plenty last year, and were told to wait for this year. Now we're getting the same rumblings of "not this year, but next year."
We have nearly twice what we had last year.
 

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Were they not concerned with the possibility of having to eat a ton of Kyler's cap space if they decided he wasn't the guy after last season?
100%, and that's what a lot of fans wanted us to do...
 

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Not even close. Rod Graves panicked when all of the players who they hoped to drop to them at #17 overall were all gone and selected a player who most had as a late 2nd early 3rd round pick in Calvin Pace. Graves then followed it up by selecting a WR at #18 who most thought would be a 2nd round pick in Johnson.

In DJ's mock, he has the Cardinals selecting the Best Edge and Best DT in the class as well as an elite prospect at WR.
Johnson's hands still look healthy!

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