Shams: Suns trade for Miles Bridges

[Phrazbit]

I haven't looked at all the calculations but I know the Suns value assets.

It's likely there will be trades to recoup assets if the youngsters improve.

I don’t think we value assets at all, we are a heavily leveraged team that continues to borrow against its future.

 

[taz02]

We are certainly leveraging assets and spending to the limits. It could work or blow up spectacularly.

I know one thing, our penny-pinching owners of years past, who tanked to acquire picks resulted in zero championships.

I like what they are doing. We have a good coach, size, chemistry, quality starters and reserves at every position. When was the last time we could say that?

 

[leclerc]

Will we make it past round 1 of the playoffs though?

 

[leclerc]

Coach Ott to give the youngsters consistent if not significant minutes if the FO really believes in these guys they moved up to secure. Let's do that before they are packaged off in a trade for an aging star.

 

[Mainstreet]

They seem more interested in spending assets than using them. Even when we have picks we trade them to move up. See Koa and Fleming. We've spent picks dumping Nurkic, acquiring Richards, acquiring Bridges, and trading Royce & Grayson. We'll continue to get future 1s and 2s each year as they're unlocked 7 years out also.

I don’t think we value assets at all, we are a heavily leveraged team that continues to borrow against its future.

I think assets need to be viewed in totality, not just in terms of draft picks.

The Suns, under Brian Gregory, clearly view draft picks as currency, a means to an end to acquire the specific physical players they want. They value players under their control far more than future paper assets.

They traded for Miles Bridges, extended Dillon Brooks (3 years, $73M) just yesterday, kept Mark Williams, re-signed Jordan Goodwin, and retained Collin Gillespie.

The Jusuf Nurkic trade was a James Jones era move, not Gregory’s.

The Nick Richards trade was primarily a cost-cutting maneuver to escape the luxury tax.

 

[taz02]

Will we make it past round 1 of the playoffs though?

50/50...It will depend on health, integration of Green and the contribution from the young guys, particularly Maluach.

 

[AzStevenCal]

50/50...It will depend on health, integration of Green and the contribution from the young guys, particularly Maluach.

I predict most of us will become huge Maluach fans this year. He's always had a ridiculously high ceiling but if Summer League was any indication, he's raised his floor considerably too.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think assets need to be viewed in totality, not just in terms of draft picks.

The Suns, under Brian Gregory, clearly view draft picks as currency, a means to an end to acquire the specific physical players they want. They value players under their control far more than future paper assets.

They traded for Miles Bridges, extended Dillon Brooks (3 years, $73M) just yesterday, kept Mark Williams, re-signed Jordan Goodwin, and retained Collin Gillespie.

The Jusuf Nurkic trade was a James Jones era move, not Gregory’s.

The Nick Richards trade was primarily a cost-cutting maneuver to escape the luxury tax.

Draft pick ARE currency to get players, either through the pick itself, in trade for players, or in order to clear cap space to get players.

 

[Yuma]

That Barttlestein interview on Arizonasports website was interseting surrounding the 2030 pick. Barttlestein was saying the pick wasn't viewed as valuable on the NBA market as what the fans thought.

Even though he didn't go into it, one things the fans miss, is the team taking on more money in the deal generally gets more draft compensation as a rule. It evens out the trade.

Another factor is fans are saying the UNPROTECTED part of the 2030 pick should only be for top players, like a Luka, Leonard, etc. Not someone on the level of Bridges. My thinking is, who were we going to get on that level with the 2030 pick? We would have had to move half our roster for a guy worthy of the 2030 unprotected pick if that was the case. Would I have liked to see top 5 protection? Sure. I also look at it as the stock market, we got two lower picks back closer to helping us now instead of holding onto a future value pick. On the other side of the point, it would suck to pass on two picks now, and wait for that pick in the future and have it be a late round first round pick anyway. It's obviously a risk, but also knowing the Suns luck on draft picks and the lottery, maybe as not a risky pick as we think.

 

[Phrazbit]

That Barttlestein interview on Arizonasports website was interseting surrounding the 2030 pick. Barttlestein was saying the pick wasn't viewed as valuable on the NBA market as what the fans thought.

Even though he didn't go into it, one things the fans miss, is the team taking on more money in the deal generally gets more draft compensation as a rule. It evens out the trade.

Another factor is fans are saying the UNPROTECTED part of the 2030 pick should only be for top players, like a Luka, Leonard, etc. Not someone on the level of Bridges. My thinking is, who were we going to get on that level with the 2030 pick? We would have had to move half our roster for a guy worthy of the 2030 unprotected pick if that was the case. Would I have liked to see top 5 protection? Sure. I also look at it as the stock market, we got two lower picks back closer to helping us now instead of holding onto a future value pick. On the other side of the point, it would suck to pass on two picks now, and wait for that pick in the future and have it be a late round first round pick anyway. It's obviously a risk, but also knowing the Suns luck on draft picks and the lottery, maybe as not a risky pick as we think.

It’s a 2033 pick we gave up.

We didn’t get two picks back, we got one that is leveraged 4 ways with us getting the last bite. Because of the rules around having to have a pick every other year it opened up the ability to trade two, but it didn’t give us two.

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We shouldn’t have had to throw in any picks on that trade, and giving away yet another with no protection is ridiculous for a team in our situation.

 

[Mainstreet]

It’s a 2033 pick we gave up.

We didn’t get two picks back, we got one that is leveraged 4 ways with us getting the last bite. Because of the rules around having to have a pick every other year it opened up the ability to trade two, but it didn’t give us two.

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We shouldn’t have had to throw in any picks on that trade, and giving away yet another with no protection is ridiculous for a team in our situation.

The trade was much more than the Suns acquiring a player they wanted.

It was about saving money as well and helped them keep Mark Williams, Jordan Goodwin, Collin Gillespie and add Luke Kennard.

 

[Phrazbit]

The trade was much more than the Suns acquiring a player they wanted.

It was about saving money as well and helped them keep Mark Williams, Jordan Goodwin, Collin Gillespie and add Luke Kennard.

They are not going to save any money when they extend Bridges.

They could've kept all those guys without the trade, we extended them all (and signed Kennard) before the trade went through.

 

[Mainstreet]

They are not going to save any money when they extend Bridges.

The Suns play for today’s opportunities, betting on their ability to outmaneuver tomorrow’s constraints.

 

[Yuma]

It’s a 2033 pick we gave up.

We didn’t get two picks back, we got one that is leveraged 4 ways with us getting the last bite. Because of the rules around having to have a pick every other year it opened up the ability to trade two, but it didn’t give us two.

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We shouldn’t have had to throw in any picks on that trade, and giving away yet another with no protection is ridiculous for a team in our situation.

We got a second round pick in that trade, too.

 

[Phrazbit]

We got a second round pick in that trade, too.

WOW!

 

[Yuma]

WOW!

He wondered why I said two picks. We have used those second rounders to move around in drafts and get targeted guys. Good assets to get trades done, too. I think some teams like them more because there's no rookie scale you have to pay, like first rounders. With the luxury taxes and aprons, these second round picks are underrated assets.

 

[taz02]

We can complain about overpaying for Bridges, but without the trade we'd all be complaining about not having a real PF.

When someone has something, you desperately need chances are you'll either overpay or go without. IMO it's not a gross overpayment like the KD trade.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We can complain about overpaying for Bridges, but without the trade we'd all be complaining about not having a real PF.

When someone has something, you desperately need chances are you'll either overpay or go without. IMO it's not a gross overpayment like the KD trade.

I don't think it's a gross overpayment either. But I still don't know why we went after Miles, considering his offseason issues, while drafting a very similar styled player. It would make sense if Peat were a raw project but he knows the game and physically he's ready. I expect Miles to be the better PF for us out of the gate but I don't think what we gain is worth what we lost unless there really was no market for Royce and Allen.

But if we can make this deep roster work while still developing KM, Fleming, Peat and whoever then great. I'm not sure how Ott will make that happen but I'm looking forward to watching how it plays out.

 

[Yuma]

I am not minimizing, forgiving, or forgetting what Bridges did.

FACTS:

1. Dude has anger issues.
2. He can't get into a time machine and not do what he did.
3. He is young and immature.

At this point, all you can do, if you are Bridges, is try and mature. Try and overcome your anger issues. Try and be a better dad to your kids. Don't let your ex push your buttons, and if she does, walk away.

Sports is entertainment. If you don't like it, criticize it. Write ownership. Boo at games. I respect your right to criticize.

I realize I may not like this guy, but I am a realist. Am I going to stop watching the Suns? No. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe. I have come this far on the journey with the Suns. I am staying to see how it all ends.

 

[Yuma]

I don't think it's a gross overpayment either. But I still don't know why we went after Miles, considering his offseason issues, while drafting a very similar styled player. It would make sense if Peat were a raw project but he knows the game and physically he's ready. I expect Miles to be the better PF for us out of the gate but I don't think what we gain is worth what we lost unless there really was no market for Royce and Allen.

I think it's their style to double down. Look at Maluach and Williams. Seems like they are trying to take two shots at a weakness. Get one veteran guy, and throw in a rookie. They have done it twice now. It can't be just a coincidence. Seems like their strategy.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think it's a gross overpayment either. But I still don't know why we went after Miles, considering his offseason issues, while drafting a very similar styled player. It would make sense if Peat were a raw project but he knows the game and physically he's ready. I expect Miles to be the better PF for us out of the gate but I don't think what we gain is worth what we lost unless there really was no market for Royce and Allen.

But if we can make this deep roster work while still developing KM, Fleming, Peat and whoever then great. I'm not sure how Ott will make that happen but I'm looking forward to watching how it plays out.

I'm rolling with the Suns agenda but I could have been happy if the Suns had signed a FA power forward like Jeremy Sochan instead of Miles Bridges.

However, I think what some fans lose sight of, the Suns wanted to unload the salaries of Allen and O'Neale to better fill a position of need for a player they apparently coveted for years.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am not minimizing, forgiving, or forgetting what Bridges did.

FACTS:

1. Dude has anger issues.
2. He can't get into a time machine and not do what he did.
3. He is young and immature.

At this point, all you can do, if you are Bridges, is try and mature. Try and overcome your anger issues. Try and be a better dad to your kids. Don't let your ex push your buttons, and if she does, walk away.

Sports is entertainment. If you don't like it, criticize it. Write ownership. Boo at games. I respect your right to criticize.

I realize I may not like this guy, but I am a realist. Am I going to stop watching the Suns. No. Does that make me a hypocrite? Maybe. I have come this far on the journey with the Suns. I am staying to see how it all ends.

Agreed. Nothing they've done so far is going to drive me away. It's not the way I would have preferred but I also know I don't know what I don't know. I dislike what I know about Miles but I also know, I don't KNOW Miles, at all. So I put his off court behavior to the side and hope it stays there. His issues aside, they've put together an intriguing roster.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Bridges is a all-star but he is a wife beater so he would have to ready put up numbers. Someone on hear said Grayson was as good as Miles LOL . The workouts made Ace Baily look so far behind Bridges. Bring on that young squad from Utah. Suns and Miles will feast.