Remember the 90s?

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Somewhere around 1995 I started seeing a commercial with a guy who vaguely looked like my class valedictorian asking me, "Hey, remember the 80s?" It was an ad for the 80s Preservation Society or something like that, and I recall thinking I wish I had an Einstein-type time/space eraser with which to eliminate that entire decade. I hated it. The music, the clothes, the attitudes. Even the underground scene was one big ball of bitterness. I'd like to forget that, too.

While going through the 90s, I thought I would have many fond memories of it: I was in my 20s, acoustic instrumentation had returned to popular music, and nobody was trying to moonwalk. In fact, the 1990s was almost parachute pants and penny loafer free. The only white glove of the decade didn't fit on OJ's monstrous hands, and that only made it more memorable.

The geeks finally inherited the earth, at least until venture capitalists figured out geeks were selling ether rather than physical objects that could be sold off piece by piece if the company went under. Normal people could buy homes AND stocks. It gave us the Internet and Internet addiction. I remember paying less than a buck for gas, even while Bush the First discovered Saaaaa-dum as the perfect foil to pump up flagging approval ratings. It gave one of the funniest political statements in the history of American political debate: James Stockdale's opening line, "Who Am I? Why am I here?" I recall thinking I really didn't care what his answer to those two questions would be. It also gave us Ross Perot, who was a political cartoonist's wet dream incarnate.

It was the era of the sitcom and animated series: Seinfeld and Friends, with a full-on dose of the Simpsons helping reshape our world view ... we're Ugly Americans, and it's bloody funny. It was also the era of coffee. I don't remember what I did with my friends before venti cafe mochas with quadruple shots while pleading with the short-haired woman with the acoustic guitar in the corner to play something other than Indigo Girlz. I would complain about the neo-hippie culture trend, but it was so ridiculously fashion driven rather than the original cultural phenomenon, it remains a funny and memorable part of the decade.

There are a lot of things about the 90s to like. I believe in hindsight many of us who lived it will remember it as a hey day. In so many ways I believe we've entered this new millennium trying to recapture the simple magic of the previous decade. We want a major bounce back from recession, low interest rates, a technological boom, and faith that even when we badly screw up foreign policy, it can't touch us here.

I fear I'm going to end up like a lot of the original hippies, who have spent their lives trying to recreate the 60s. As Edie Brickell, the Joan the Baptist precursor to the 90s, once sang: "Drown me in the shallow waters before I get too deep."
 

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Great post!

I look back on the 90's with much fondness, too. All the reasons you stated, and all my kids were born in the 90's. 1990 for the first, and 1999 for the last! I always thought that was cool.

But I believe the line is "Shove me in the shallow water..."

edit: most sites are saying "Choke me in the shallow water..." but I don't agree w/that. I'm d/l the song now.
 
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But I believe the line is "Shove me in the shallow water..."

edit: most sites are saying "Choke me in the shallow water..." but I don't agree w/that. I'm d/l the song now.

My friend, Chris Whitten, recorded the drum tracks for that song. I believe he would say it doesn't really matter which way you remember those lyrics because the whole thing was rather surreal. ;)

But that's 1988 history, and we're talkin' about the 90s.
 

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My friend, Chris Whitten, recorded the drum tracks for that song. I believe he would say it doesn't really matter which way you remember those lyrics because the whole thing was rather surreal. ;)

But that's 1988 history, and we're talkin' about the 90s.
:D It sounds like she's saying 'choke'...I think my 16-year-old brain (at the time) preferred something with a little more hope (and it makes more sense as "shove" to me). "don't let me get too deep", so it would make sense that she wants to get shoved to the shallow water...oh, well. :) It's a great song. Can't believe it's almost 20 years old. :(
 

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This sounds more like a P&R piece.

That said, I loved the 90's. Still love the music.

I remember $97c gas as well. The days of filling up my Toyota Corolla for $10 are long gone.

Besides, wasn't OJ's glove black and not white?
 
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Besides, wasn't OJ's glove black and not white?

I said I remember the 90s. I didn't say I remembered it accurately. The laws of time and distance require I remember things more ironically than reality first allowed.
 

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I remember a lot about the '90s. Some of it actually happened.
 

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I said I remember the 90s. I didn't say I remembered it accurately. The laws of time and distance require I remember things more ironically than reality first allowed.

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I think it has much more to do with the age you were during the decades you are companring. In my opinion the fondness comes with where you were at and what you were doing. The people who were about saving the 80's are more than likely 9 to 15 years your senior. They were at the age in the 80's that you were in the 90's. The "stuff" that goes with it is all unimportant. It is the association of that stuff, with everything else you were doing and going through that creates the fondness or the memories...
 

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Somewhere around 1995 I started seeing a commercial with a guy who vaguely looked like my class valedictorian asking me, "Hey, remember the '80's?" It was an ad for the '80's Preservation Society or something like that, and I recall thinking I wish I had an Einstein-type time/space eraser with which to eliminate that entire decade. I hated it. The music, the clothes, the attitudes. Even the underground scene was one big ball of bitterness. I'd like to forget that, too.

Sorry, had to chime in here. I graduated high school in 1985, so I have a great fondness for the decade of the '80's. Not trying to pick on you, but I hear a lot of smack talked about '80's music and it is really a crock!

Sure, there was crappy music in the '80's, just like there is crappy music in every decade. I'm not sure why the '80's gets such a bad rap. Maybe because all that people remember are Paula Abdul and Tiffany.

I'm a huge fan of '80's alternative ("New Wave" if you were there). Some of my favorites, off the top of my head, include:

The Clash, The Jam, REM, The Police, Oingo Boingo, Prince (1999 & Purple Rain, very innovative for the time), Devo, The Cure, The Smiths, Squeeze, English Beat, Peter Gabriel, Violent Femmes, Wall of Voodoo, The Replacements, INXS, New Order, Yaz, B-52's, Talking Heads, Billy Idol, The Church, Split Enz, Suzanne Vega, The Cars, Elvis Costello. Also, in the '80's U2 released their best work, IMO. Albums such as Boy, October, War, The Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree.

I know I am leaving out a ton of good artists as well. Don't paint decades with a broad brush. A lot of great and influential music came from that decade.
 
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Sorry, had to chime in here. I graduated high school in 1985, so I have a great fondness for the decade of the '80's. Not trying to pick on you, but I hear a lot of smack talked about '80's music and it is really a crock!

Sure, there was crappy music in the '80's, just like there is crappy music in every decade. I'm not sure why the '80's gets such a bad rap. Maybe because all that people remember are Paula Abdul and Tiffany.

I graduated in '87, and I was there for all of it. I think of Paula Abdul and Tiffany as late comers to the crappy music party. When I think of 80s music, at least the stuff played on radio, I think of Eddie Money, Dokken, Motley Crue, Eddie Rabbit, Olivia Newton-John, Kenny Freakin' Rogers, Lionel Freakin' Ritchie, REO Speedwagon, Juice Bloody Newton, Air Supply ...

I have to pause for a moment. I'm getting nauseous ... OK, I'm back

... Survivor, Human League, Chicago, Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder (two artists who were just fine on their own in the 70s), Duran Duran, Hall & Oates (an artistic team that should have quit sometime before the turn of the decade), so many others, but the Cornaball of the Entire Freakin' Decade:

PHIL COLLINS

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That's not music, man. That's white people (mostly) gone crazy. White people also brought us sampled electronics, which was the WORST INVENTION IN THE WORLD. IT RUINED MUSIC FOREVER. Bottom line, I think of the 80s as one of the whitest of all 20th century decades. White people didn't discover P-Funk or Bootsy Collins until the 90s. Damn white people, going around stealin' the funk all the time.

But it's long past 20 years since, so I'm mostly over that. Mostly.

The Clash, The Jam, REM, The Police, Oingo Boingo, Prince (1999 & Purple Rain, very innovative for the time), Devo, The Cure, The Smiths, Squeeze, English Beat, Peter Gabriel, Violent Femmes, Wall of Voodoo, The Replacements, INXS, New Order, Yaz, B-52's, Talking Heads, Billy Idol, The Church, Split Enz, Suzanne Vega, The Cars, Elvis Costello. Also, in the '80's U2 released their best work, IMO. Albums such as Boy, October, War, The Unforgettable Fire and The Joshua Tree.

The Police, Prince, Peter Gabriel, the Talking Heads (very early 80s), U2, the Cars, and Billy Idol (sans Generation X) were the only groups I would consider "mainstream" up there. Devo had one hit, then they went right back underground. Didn't they form Joy Division or something? Good stuff though. Especially the Police/Sting and Peter Gabriel.

Sorry, but U2 has never been on my radar. Can't say I was a big fan of INXS, either.

The Smiths, Suzanne Vega, Elvis Costello, the Cure, select Boingo -- these were all cool bands that sort of outgrew the underground scene, but never collected what I would call 80s icon status. At least not actually during the 80s. Boingo had a hit. Vega had a hit. Costello was writing great music but going mostly unnoticed. If you were fans of these artists, you probably weren't the life of the keg parties. Or even attended them.

I would add Edie Brickell and the new Bohemians and Lennie Kravitz as great 80s artists, but somehow they always get placed in the next decade because they were soooooo different from the 80s era.

Bah. There was great music, even in other genres such as jazz. Miles Davis put together a few incredible albums that flew entirely under the public's radar. It birthed a whole new generation of brilliant post-bop artists like John Scofield, but the scene was all about mindless guitar shredders like Yngvie. Yuck.

Just don't get me going on 80s music. I can carry this rant on all night long. What was quality and what got played on the radio are too different things. The one thing I can say about 90s radio is there were enough alternatives to keep me interested. I actually listened to FM radio for spells during the decade.
 
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Devo had one hit, then they went right back underground. Didn't they form Joy Division or something? Good stuff though. Especially the Police/Sting and Peter Gabriel.

Joy Division morphed into New Order after their original leader killed himself. Devo has always been Devo.

You're right, I was never really into mainstream music. My point was that there was good music in the '80's, you just had to be willing to look for it.
 

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Joy Division morphed into New Order after their original leader killed himself. Devo has always been Devo.

You're right, I was never really into mainstream music. My point was that there was good music in the '80's, you just had to be willing to look for it.

Yeah, Ian Curtis was Joy Division's lead-singer. He had a severe case of epilepsy which caused him to have many breakdowns/seizures (even some episodes on stage. Thus, he could no longer tolerate it and eventually hung himself.

Anyways, 80's music was at its best prior to the "Hair Bands". The better bands though were more of Indie in nature, such as the Minutemen, Smithereens, (earlier) REM, Dinosaur Jr, the Meat Puppets (earlier) RHCP, etc....

Those bands didn't fit/suit MTV (which I have said countless many of times destroyed music) because they opted not to sell-out and compromise their sound. They didn't succumb to the pressures of becoming commercial, but unfortunately in some instances it did resort to their demise. REM and RHCP eventually did sell-out and alienated most of their cult-fans in the process.

Also, the British bands during that time were superior. Bands like the Jam (earlier in the '80s) Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Depeche Mode, the Fixx etc.. (could go on and on).

Faith No More and Living Colour are 2 examples of the best acts of the later 80s, but both were mixed in w/the "Hair Bands" or got ruined by Grunge.

Grunge (as has been discussed in numerous threads) destroyed music in the 90s and the music industry still hasn't recovered.
 
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I would have to include the B-52s among the bands selling out. They will be condemned to a special place in hell for ever recording Love Shack.

Anyone ever see SLC Punk? That was a perfect capture of a moment in time during that decade. That's how I remember it.
 

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I would have to include the B-52s among the bands selling out. They will be condemned to a special place in hell for ever recording Love Shack.

Anyone ever see SLC Punk? That was a perfect capture of a moment in time during that decade. That's how I remember it.

I must admit I might have erred in moving the entire thread to this forum. I could separate the initial posts up until it went on the topic of music?

It's hysterical thinking about the B-52s because you know who the main influence behind their earlier sound was? No other than Yoko Ono. Seriously, I have read in numerous publications and in other mediums that they attributed her for "Rock Lobster".

Talking Heads sold-out in the mid-80s which was tragic, however, at least David Byrne discovered "World" music and he has really excelled w/in that genre as he has done in all the others.
 
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Talking Heads sold-out in the mid-80s which was tragic, however, at least David Byrne discovered "World" music and he has really excelled w/in that genre as he has done in all the others.

What's funny about the Talking Heads is so many of my friends would always confuse them with the Tubes, which you would think kids in Phoenix would never do since the Tubes have a sort-of kind-of Phoenix history ... Prairie Prince, Roger Steen, and Bill Spooner are all from Phoenix until they moved to San Francisco in '74. Prince was also a founding member of Journey, of all things.

Speaking of bad 80s music, there was also Mister Mister, who started as the light fusion band Pages here in Phoenix. I liked them better when they weren't doing their even-more-adult-contemporary version of Toto.
 

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but the Cornaball of the Entire Freakin' Decade:

PHIL COLLINS

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Yeah, most of Phil's solo stuff is dreadful. But his drumming trumps the crap. The live LAMB discs on the Genesis Archive 1 box set is exhibit A.

White people also brought us sampled electronics, which was the WORST INVENTION IN THE WORLD. IT RUINED MUSIC FOREVER.

Why blame the whitties? At least they weren't sampling other band's riffs (ignoring Vinilla Ice stealing Queen here because he was pretending to be black).

The Smiths, Elvis Costello, the Cure, select Boingo -- these were all cool bands that sort of outgrew the underground scene, but never collected what I would call 80s icon status.

Can't get much more 80's iconish than these acts. All of these bands made tons of bank. Cure, Costello and Smiths/Morrisey in particular still sit back and enjoy fat royalty checks from soundtracks and all kinds of other residuals.

I would add Edie Brickell and the new Bohemians as great 80s artists

Those guys were great. Never figured out why they weren't taken more seriously.

Bah. There was great music, even in other genres such as jazz. Miles Davis put together a few incredible albums that flew entirely under the public's radar. It birthed a whole new generation of brilliant post-bop artists like John Scofield, but the scene was all about mindless guitar shredders like Yngvie. Yuck.

lol. Yngvie enjoyed more of a cult status. Van Halen and Randy Rhodes were much more popular then and very talented. There were some great guitarists at the time - even mainstream acts like Peter Frampton. Zappa was releasing rock albums with incredible playing. But the hair bands eventually killed the great guitar solos by turning them into 30 second whirlwinds always ending on the highest note on the highest fret.
 
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Yeah, most of Phil's solo stuff is dreadful. But his drumming trumps the crap. The live LAMB discs on the Genesis Archive 1 box set is exhibit A.

Not even a big fan of Phil's drumming. Only interested in his work with Brand X, which was sort of quasi-Mahavishnu homage.

Genesis as a band was just more interesting to me in the 70s, and I think their best work of that decade stands the test of time moreso than the early 80s stuff.

I did like Peter Gabriel and Mike and the Mechanics ... well some of Mike and the Mechs. Just couldn't stomach the ballads and the dance stuff Collins put out.
 

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Seeing the commercials for "Music of the 90's" and realizing I can sing every single song they list, makes me feel old.
 

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Gimme 80's music over 90s tunage ANY day. Hip Hop was rawer, I guess the early 90s are the best for hip hop, but damn. Punk rock was amazing in the 80's and then at the end of the decade morphed into grunge. Sure grunge was cool, but then it too morphed into big budget grunge like Alice in Chains and STP and I personally hated all that. New Wave, amazing genre and HUGE to boot. Aw screw it. I had a hell of a time from 1985 until 2006, when my first daughter was born. I danced, did drugs, drank like a ****, played in a band, toured the country, rode my vespa all over the western US, did more drugs, DJed, partied and partied some more. Im glad to be settling down, for sure but 85 on was a hell of a party.
 

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Gimme 80's music over 90s tunage ANY day. Hip Hop was rawer, I guess the early 90s are the best for hip hop, but damn. Punk rock was amazing in the 80's and then at the end of the decade morphed into grunge. Sure grunge was cool, but then it too morphed into big budget grunge like Alice in Chains and STP and I personally hated all that. New Wave, amazing genre and HUGE to boot. Aw screw it. I had a hell of a time from 1985 until 2006, when my first daughter was born. I danced, did drugs, drank like a ****, played in a band, toured the country, rode my vespa all over the western US, did more drugs, DJed, partied and partied some more. Im glad to be settling down, for sure but 85 on was a hell of a party.

I must admit that I liked most of the soundtrack in GTA: Vice City.
 

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