R I S E ___ U P ___ D A R K ___ S I D E (2025)

[WisconsinCard]

I will never understand a GM getting a second shot at another coach after utterly failing with his first.

What successful business model works like that? Hey! We know you totally just wasted the last three or four years, but here’s more money for the chance to waste the next three or four more years! You’ve earned it!

I don't disagree with any of that but how many coaches has Ryan poles hired? I believe it's two and the bears have been awful his entire tenure. If the owner believes in his choice for a GM he's probably going to be slow to fire that person. How many coaches did Kiem hire? I believe it was also 2.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Steve Keim basically got 10 years, and he went 80-80-2. He oversaw three different head coaches during his time as GM.

I say give Monti a long leash, too.

 

[oaken1]

I'm not advocating for it. I just believe that's what will happen. It's how is usually goes for GM's. I'm not on the jury so my considerations don't matter. But for the record who in the right mind ever said he was a top half GM? Nobody ever said anything remotely close to that . Settle down Francis.

it probably also matters how much and often the owner butted in with decisions. Hard to not give a guy a chance when you wouldnt let him do what he wanted to do...I mean, our staff all seemed pretty well united at the draft ...but some of it could have just been public relations...PR seems to be an important issue with the Redbirds these days

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm not advocating for it. I just believe that's what will happen. It's how is usually goes for GM's. I'm not on the jury so my considerations don't matter. But for the record who in the right mind ever said he was a top half GM? Nobody ever said anything remotely close to that . Settle down Francis.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Monti stays no matter what - especially considering his performance. You might be right that he gets another coach, but I wouldn't be in any hurry to extend him. For 2 years of non-competitive by design football and a ton of draft resources, you'd figure we'd be seeing more signs of progress at this point.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I say give Monti a long leash, too.

Why? Not sure Keim and how he ended up is the example you'd want to follow.

 

[kerouac9]

Anyone want a SGP for the Thursday game? Definitely fits the darkside theme. 3 legs. +1000. It is correlated.

EDIT: I will just add it. Seattle -9.5, JSN 100+ receiving yards, AZ u24.5 team total.

Cards team total down to 21.5. I still took it with Seattle -6.5 because I’m a coward. With the JSN over its +750

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Monti stays no matter what - especially considering his performance. You might be right that he gets another coach, but I wouldn't be in any hurry to extend him. For 2 years of non-competitive by design football and a ton of draft resources, you'd figure we'd be seeing more signs of progress at this point.

Monti is more than scouting and personnel though. He’s brought new people in to sales, marketing, all over the place. I think a big part of his remit is organizational change. If the casitas and sideline seats are selling and the Rojo lounge or whatever is packed, it’s going to give him some extra rope.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Monti is more than scouting and personnel though. He’s brought new people in to sales, marketing, all over the place. I think a big part of his remit is organizational change. If the casitas and sideline seats are selling and the Rojo lounge or whatever is packed, it’s going to give him some extra rope.

I just care whether the team is good or not.

 

[Proteus]

I say no. He'll get another shot with a different QB, if that happens soon. Monte will get another shot at hiring a different coach as well. IMO

Would that different quarterback be a vet or a rookie?
Also, when would JG be expected to finally have a season record of .500 or better?

 

[kerouac9]

I just care whether the team is good or not.

me too but Michael has other priorities

 

[Cheesebeef]

Steve Keim basically got 10 years, and he went 80-80-2. He oversaw three different head coaches during his time as GM.

I say give Monti a long leash, too.

Keim got a long leash because he EARNED one after Arians was his first coach and the first three years the team won 10, 11 and 13 games.

No one DESERVES a long leash after 3 years of failure if this season goes in the tank. Giving Monti one is the definition of failing upwards. Why anyone would want to grant him that is beyond me.

But since you’re apparently a fan of long leashes, remind me… did you also believe that Wilks should have gotten a long leash or were you calling for his firing after one season? Because if we’re looking at Monti having to fire an entire staff and admitting total failure for his first regime, but getting another chance to do it all over again, I fail to see how what would likely be three or four consecutive years of failure generates more leeway than Wilks got.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Keim got a long leash because he EARNED one after Arians was his first coach and the first three years the team won 10, 11 and 13 games.

No one DESERVES a long leash after 3 years of failure if this season goes in the tank. Giving Monti one is what actual DEI looks like.

Leave the politics in P&R.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Leave the politics in P&R.

Fixed

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Keim got a long leash because he EARNED one after Arians was his first coach and the first three years the team won 10, 11 and 13 games.

No one DESERVES a long leash after 3 years of failure if this season goes in the tank. Giving Monti one is the definition of failing upwards.

Personally, I think Keim got a long leash because he was a barroom buddy of the owner. Otherwise, he'd have been gone after getting an extreme DUI.

I just do not subscribe to the theory that switching out your GM and coach every three years or so leads to anything positive. At some point you need to stick with them and create a culture moving forward.

 

[Stout]

Man, I'm feeling apathy and that ain't good going into game 4. I was livid with the 1st-half offense--so pathetic and a total waste of the D's effort. I can't even get riled for a proper go on the Kyler thread

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I just do not subscribe to the theory that switching out your GM and coach every three years or so leads to anything positive.

No matter what? Even if they've proven themselves bad at their job?

At some point you need to stick with them and create a culture moving forward.

Yes, when they're good. Keeping bad people around simply for the sake of continuity makes no sense.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

No matter what? Even if they've proven themselves bad at their job?

Yes, when they're good. Keeping bad people around simply for the sake of continuity makes no sense.

Obviously, when they are good.

But I would also say they should get to set up their own team and pick their own QB. Not fair to judge them on players they were handcuffed to and did not draft or trade for.

 

[kerouac9]

Obviously, when they are good.

But I would also say they should get to set up their own team and pick their own QB. Not fair to judge them on players they were handcuffed to and did not draft or trade for.

Man I dunno. If taking Kyler was a condition of the job or part of the pitch and it turns out you can’t work with him that’s perfectly fair.

It’s really hard for me as a fan to give him a mulligan on a three year rebuild that didn’t work and then say you get another three years to see if Jaxon Dart works out.

 

[DVontel]

Man I dunno. If taking Kyler was a condition of the job or part of the pitch and it turns out you can’t work with him that’s perfectly fair.

It’s really hard for me as a fan to give him a mulligan on a three year rebuild that didn’t work and then say you get another three years to see if Jaxon Dart works out.

Shoutout to Ryan Poles as well.

 

[football karma]

Monti is more than scouting and personnel though.

sales, casitas, etc -- thats the new COO or something --

https://www.azcardinals.com/team/front-office-roster/jeremy-walls


that said: I think part of the Monti appeal to Mike is he appears to be the complete opposite personality to Keim -- no drama, boring, married mid-westerner who is careful with the media.

for an org with way too much drama in the last 24 months -- that has value

 

[unseenaz]

sales, casitas, etc -- thats the new COO or something --

https://www.azcardinals.com/team/front-office-roster/jeremy-walls


that said: I think part of the Monti appeal to Mike is he appears to be the complete opposite personality to Keim -- no drama, boring, married mid-westerner who is careful with the media.

for an org with way too much drama in the last 24 months -- that has value

He’s fiscally responsible, his spending is predictable and that’s exactly what Bidwill likes. The roster is being built on a slow burn - the opposite of what fans want, but perfectly aligned with an owner who doesn’t prioritize winning.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I just care whether the team is good or not.

The Cardinals are a bad football team

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Cardinals are a bad football team

and organization!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The Cardinals are a bad football team

and organization!

Both are true

 

[TK421]

The Cardinals are a bad football team

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