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1. John Skelton---haven't given up on him. Disappointed in his play this year and the fact that he didn't carpe diem the opportunity. I am curious to know what he would look like with another coach in another system.

If I were coaching him---I would do the following (try not to laugh too hard!)---but I am serious (which I am sure makes it even more funny):

a. put a tinted visor on him---not only does his height hurt him in that DBs can get a clear look at him, but Skelton has big eyes---really big eyes---again this doesn't help.

b. drum into his head that when the pocket starts to collapse, run with the ball.

c. get him to start stepping into his throws and start snapping the ball---he's always trying to guide the ball---that has to stop---he has to start throwing the ball and throwing it with conviction.

d. get his mind right---this, imo, is how Whisenhunt and Miller have failed in---here is a guy who physically fears nothing, which is rare for a QB with a porous offensive line---BUT---here is a guy who fears the mental part---he fears making mistakes---and he fears making bad throws, which is why he tries to guide the ball.

e. faster release---what he needs to learn is to keep the ball directly behind his right earhole---the ball will come out cleaner and faster...he's really got to get in the habit of doing this.

f. greater intensity---he looks way too laid back---but then again so does Aaron Rodgers---but there are times when Rodgers really buckles down and the team feeds off of his intensity. Skelton needs to develop this side of his demeanor and he will be taken more seriously.

2. Kevin Kolb---should retire. He won back the respect he briefly lost. His injuries have been scary and they occurred on plays that didn't even look that bad when they happened. The concussions and then the torn and dislocated rib cage.

3. Ryan Lindley---again would very much like to see him with another coach. He had a great relationship with Brian Sipe---that's what he needs in the NFL, a coach who believes in him.

4. Kirk Cousins---I watched him very closely last week, I believe some of you did as well. Saw him step in and play well the week before. I like him---he's shifty and throws a very accurate and catchable ball. The Redskins need draft picks---if the Cardinals were to offer their 2nd rounder---the Redskins might be very tempted to make the trade. Having looked at all the draft prospects at QB at length---I would rank Cousins right up there in the top three.

5. Chase Daniel---very intrigued, obviously, with him.

6. Alex Smith---can't stand the guy for all the snarky comments he has made about the Cardinals---and I really don't think he would want to come to Arizona. But, if he did, he would have a big chip on his shoulder. Could be a good thing.

7. Ryan Fitzpatrick---might be on the way out of Buffalo. Have always liked him---and if he could elevate his game better in 4th quarters I think he could be very very good.

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While I am not sure on any of the alternatives you mention, I think any of those guys would be an upgrade from what is currently on the roster. Kolb, Skelton and Lindley all need to go, NOT ONE of them is capable enough. All 3 have a tendency to throw unbelievably bad picks at crazy times.

I don't think Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chase Daniel or Kirk Cousins would make me want to vomit but I would surely be queezy. If Whisenhunt got his hands on any of these guys their career is over. Of course, Smith's and Fitzpatrick's pretty much already are.

Daniel and Cousins are virtually unknowns. Could be good, very good or just more regurgitated crap that we've already seen. Especially, as I said, if Whisenhunt is in the picture. Obviously, I have NO confidence in Whisenhunt's ability to choose or develope a QB based on what we've seen the last 3 seasons.

But, a total purge at the QB position is necessary IMO and your list is not stellar but would be worth a try. Of course, if a new HC is here with a bona fide OC, getting a veteran with a young guy to groom would be the best. Smith or Fitzpatrich with Tyler Wilson behind them anyone? If, say, a Hayley/Norv type were the OC?
 

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Skelton and Kolb are gone

We will sign one of these 3 and I think in this order:

Mike Vick - There is a lot of smoke about this already. If Whiz stays, I think we take Vick.

Ryan Fitzpatrick - This is my #1 guy. He is always awesome til it gets cold. Welcome to Arizona.

Alex Smith - I agree with Mitch I don't think he wants to play here.

I would like us to draft Ryan Nassib in Round 2

Lindley stays are the 3.
 

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Skelton and Kolb are gone

We will sign one of these 3 and I think in this order:

Mike Vick - There is a lot of smoke about this already. If Whiz stays, I think we take Vick.

Ryan Fitzpatrick - This is my #1 guy. He is always awesome til it gets cold. Welcome to Arizona.

Alex Smith - I agree with Mitch I don't think he wants to play here.

I would like us to draft Ryan Nassib in Round 2

Lindley stays are the 3.

Fitzpatrick signed a big 6 year $59 million contract in November, 2011 with $24 million guaranteed. I don't think the Cards would want to trade for him and take that over. However, if he is released and becomes a free agent, I certainly would like the Cards to go after him. NFL rumor-mills say that the Bills may want Michael Vick.
 

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If Whis is still here next season it won't matter who comes in.
 

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Why wouldn't Smith want to come here? Where else would he get the chance to stick it to the team that dumped him twice a year?

Would love to sign Smith in FA, then focus the draft on OL, especially guard, and a RB. Throw in a pass rusher, and we're a reasonable copy of the Niners.
 

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Why wouldn't Smith want to come here? Where else would he get the chance to stick it to the team that dumped him twice a year?

Would love to sign Smith in FA, then focus the draft on OL, especially guard, and a RB. Throw in a pass rusher, and we're a reasonable copy of the Niners.

I agree as long as we draft a QB high, somewhere in rounds 1-3 and can ease him in.
 

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1. John Skelton---haven't given up on him. Disappointed in his play this year and the fact that he didn't carpe diem the opportunity. I am curious to know what he would look like with another coach in another system.

If I were coaching him---I would do the following (try not to laugh too hard!)---but I am serious (which I am sure makes it even more funny):

a. put a tinted visor on him---not only does his height hurt him in that DBs can get a clear look at him, but Skelton has big eyes---really big eyes---again this doesn't help.

b. drum into his head that when the pocket starts to collapse, run with the ball.

c. get him to start stepping into his throws and start snapping the ball---he's always trying to guide the ball---that has to stop---he has to start throwing the ball and throwing it with conviction.

d. get his mind right---this, imo, is how Whisenhunt and Miller have failed in---here is a guy who physically fears nothing, which is rare for a QB with a porous offensive line---BUT---here is a guy who fears the mental part---he fears making mistakes---and he fears making bad throws, which is why he tries to guide the ball.

e. faster release---what he needs to learn is to keep the ball directly behind his right earhole---the ball will come out cleaner and faster...he's really got to get in the habit of doing this.

f. greater intensity---he looks way too laid back---but then again so does Aaron Rodgers---but there are times when Rodgers really buckles down and the team feeds off of his intensity. Skelton needs to develop this side of his demeanor and he will be taken more seriously.

I respect your patience with Skelton, but if you're still asking a QB to change all these things after three years in the league and a number of starts, you probably have the wrong guy. Time to move on from Skelton. He's just not a viable NFL QB.
 
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I think we need to retain one of either Skelton or Lindley. I don't think you can bring in a total new qb crew. I think it would be highly interesting to see what this present crew would have performed like under a different offensive coaching crew. It just seems like all of the qb's have gotten worse during the stay in AZ, with maybe the exception of Warner.
 
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I think we need to retain one of either Skelton or Lindley. I don't think you can bring in a total new qb crew. I think it would be highly interesting to see what this present crew would have performed like under a different offensive coaching crew. It just seems like all of the qb's have gotten worse during the stay in AZ, with maybe the exception of Warner.

There's no reason to cut Skelton or Lindley until the next coach determines their value.
 

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There's no reason to cut Skelton or Lindley until the next coach determines their value.

What is funny is that you are as stubborn as Whiz and have equally terrible taste in QB's. Skelton has been in the system for three years and still does not know the plays and this is the guy you still want to determine value of?
 

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Mitch Skelton is awful. Pure and simple. His accuracy is off the charts bad. Give it up dude.
 

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Mitch Skelton is awful. Pure and simple. His accuracy is off the charts bad. Give it up dude.

Yup... And that's who Wiz wanted as his starting QB. That alone says Wiz is clueless about the position and needs to be fired.
 

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Yup... And that's who Wiz wanted as his starting QB. That alone says Wiz is clueless about the position and needs to be fired.

Just out of curiosity who did you want starting game 1?
 

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If Skelton had shown any development whatsoever, I might be inclined to keep him. He hasn't though.


You don't get any sense he is seeing the field better or understanding what is going on. You also don't see any fundamental improvement either.

I just don't think he is worth a roster spot.
 

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Pick up Rivers for a 2nd
Draft Nassib
86 Kolb and Skelton
Keep Lindley holding the board.

Fire Whiz. Man, I cant believe I just said that. Its time. Our offensive juggernaut is on him, and we need someone new.
 

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Skelton was never drafted to be a starter. Injuries and horrendous QB play forced him into the lineup. You don't count on 5th round QB's to be your starting QB. You let them sit and develop into, hopefully, a capable #2 QB down the road. Sure there's the rare time a late round QB steps in, almost always because of injury, and surprises. But those are few and far between. The guy was at Fordham playing glorified high school football. He's developed fine, he's just not, or ever was that good.
 

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a. put a tinted visor on him---not only does his height hurt him in that DBs can get a clear look at him, but Skelton has big eyes---really big eyes---again this doesn't help.

Unless that vader visor has some serious terminator radar graphics up in front of him I'd pass. :p
 

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I'd start by showing Skelton how to bag groceries and Lindley how to round up shopping carts.

Forget it Mitch. Skelton has seen his last minute of playing time as a Cardinal and probably in the NFL.
 
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I'd start by showing Skelton how to bag groceries and Lindley how to round up shopping carts.

Forget it Mitch. Skelton has seen his last minute of playing time as a Cardinal and probably in the NFL.

What, because Whisenhunt thinks so?

He hasn't been cut...has he?

You know Whisenhunt would have cut him already. The FO has put handcuffs on him for personnel moves.

Thank goodness.
 

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This may sound nuts, but I saw more out of Hoyer today than I seen in any quarterback we've had since Warner.

The ball was coming out on time. He was more accurate than we've become use to seeing. Most of his misses were due to a lack of continuity with his receivers.

Is he our savior? Not even thinking about that.

My point is you can see the COACHING he has received with the Pats and Steelers.

But don't worry. this staff will work on his "mechanics" and ruin him by August.
 

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Did anyone else even notice that Skelton wasn't even active today? Not even as emergency QB? That was a statement from Whiz, to be sure. They only dressed 2 guys - the horrendous rookie, and the career backup you just brought in 2 weeks ago. Kinda says it all, regarding just how hopeless the situation is.
 

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