Point guard speculation article - Russell hope

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  1. sinsay

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    I agree there
     
  2. offset

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    For all of our disagreements, our PG wish lists are surprisingly similiar.
     
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    I would also be willing to do a straight-up trade of Tyler Johnson for Jeff Teague.
     
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    Yes, and Rubio was one of the last factors that contributed to those 50 wins.

    Having said that, he still represents an upgrade at PG for the Suns, but I would reluctantly offer him a multi-year contract.
     
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    Here is the thing about Rubio - we are going to have to overpay him to sign him.

    Why - because Indianapolis wants Rubio, and possibly Chicago.

    He is clearly the next best PG after Beverley and Collison - and those 2 are not going to want to play for a bad team.

    I really would rather just start Tyler Johnson - the numbers show he is almost as good as Rubio - and he is already under contract for a year. The upgrade is too small to justify a 3y 40 million dollar contract.

    Personally I say throw our money at Russel or Brogdan, or don't spend any on a pg at all other than a minimum salary guy.
     
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    Correct. And that's all he's ever been except for perhaps that one season in Utah. The only reason I'd buy into him is to avoid paying Russell 30 million a year, I find that an alarming prospect. Even if it turns out to be our best move it's more than a little scary tying up that much money in our 2 guards.
     
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    Johnson:

    G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

    57 22 26.8 3.8 9.2 .413 1.6 4.6 .346 2.2 4.7 .477 .498 1.7 2.2 .748 0.6 2.4 3.0 2.9 0.9 0.5 1.4 1.7 10.9

    270 68 26.8 4.0 9.2 .433 1.3 3.5 .364 2.7 5.6 .477 .504 1.8 2.3 .771 0.6 2.8 3.3 2.5 0.9 0.5 1.2 2.0 11.0

    PER last year of 12.4, and Career PER of 13.8.

    Rubio:

    G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS


    68 67 27.9 4.3 10.7 .404 1.2 3.7 .311 3.2 7.0 .454 .458 2.9 3.4 .855 0.5 3.1 3.6 6.1 1.3 0.1 2.6 2.6 12.7

    498 477 30.9 3.6 9.2 .388 0.8 2.6 .322 2.7 6.6 .413 .433 3.1 3.7 .838 0.7 3.5 4.2 7.7 1.9 0.1 2.7 2.6 11.1

    Per last year of 14.0, and career PER of 15.8.

    Johnson is a better shooter from the field in terms of percentages, but Rubio is by far the better passer and more efficient player. That being said, the numbers bear out my perception: Johnson is too inefficient and too poor of a passer to play the point, while Rubio is not good enough of a shooter to play the point next to Booker.
     
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    You know I keep hearing Gambo say this stuff about too much money in your guards? What the hell does that mean?

    How in today's NBA are guards not the 2 most important positions?

    Instead of being concerned about having too much money invested in the backcourt, I would be more concerned having too much money tied up in my frontcourt.
     
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    Yeah, despite what I just said I feel the same way about the importance of guards in today's game. So I guess I'd be fine paying that much money for the right two guards but I just haven't seen max money in Russell's game. We didn't really see it in Devin's game when he signed his big deal either, just the potential, but I haven't even seen the potential in Russell's game. Maybe I just didn't see enough of him?
     
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    Yeah, I am familiar with all of this.

    Like I said too me that is too small of an upgrade. Personally I value the shooting over the extra 3 assists a game.
     
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    The Suns aren't going to get anybody to come here unless they improve. They aren't going to improve unless they get more good players. Why are they saving the extra money?
     
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    If we role with Tyler this season, then we have to restart the process next season, while most coveted guards will be signed this summer.
     
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    Like I have already said - if we don't get Brogdan or Russell this offseason, then I figured we have to get our long term PG in the draft next year.
     
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    I don't think they are trying to save the extra money but spending unwisely will just dig the hole deeper IMO. That's a general statement, not necessarily about any one player.

    If they think Russell is worth close to 30 million, overspending by a few million a year is fine. I've missed on a lot of players when it comes to evaluating worth but I look at Russell and see a player that is worth a little more than half that amount and unless he has another level or two of growth in him, the gap between his playing value and a max contract seems too great to me. 20 per is the kind of overpay I had in mind when I was in favor of going after him, 30M just floors me.
     
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    PG ROSE
    SG BOOKER
    SF BRIDGES
    PF DARIO
    C AYTON

    That is best starting 5 suns have had in a while.

    Bench

    PG TY
    SG CAM
    SF JACKSON
    PF OUBRE/BYNES
    C BYNES


    Bench needs work but all may be able to provide quality mins.

    With salary, production, and experience Rose seems to be the best option.
    Rose should get 15 to 20 pts a night with Booker and Ayton.

    I don't see a PG available.
    That can fill as many holes on this team for the salary they would pay Rose.
     

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