PFF - Ranking every teams drafting over the last 4 years

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  1. GuernseyCard

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    "reasons"
     
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    Beyond the owner, which you can't change, it falls at the feet of the GM.

    Wishing and hoping is about all the fans have that Keim will get the draft right.
     
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    I disagree. A number of teams played rookies from game 1 full time that didn't have good starts (or good season).

    Just in the LB draft alone there was Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray. Both started all 16 games. Both had starts as bad as Simmons, in fact Queen was bad all year according to PFF despite racking up stats due to alot of playing time. Queen finished the year with a 29 grade, Murray 54. This is what PFF said about Queen's season.

    ""Queen is one of the most active linebackers in the league and gets in on a lot of plays, but many of them are not good, and those tend to get hidden from traditional data points," Monson explained. "Queen’s 22 missed tackles led the league, and he was beaten for a 117.5 passer rating when targeted. He also struggled often against the run whenever he had to defeat a block and couldn’t just flow to the football."

    A lot of that you could apply to early Simmons and Murray but those teams put their trust in their players. They took their lumps to reap the rewards later.

    Going into '21 Queen has 858 snaps at ILB and a tonne of tape to help him improve. Kenneth Murray has 959.

    Isaiah Simmons has 376. And half of those, possible more, were not at ILB. I'd take Murray's 54 grade playing 959 snaps at ILB than Simmons 59 bit part role any day.

    The problem with the Cardinals is that 2013-2015 has gone to their heads. They are the football equivalent of a pop group who had a few top 40 hits 8 years ago and think they are the Rolling Stones. They are always "just one good song" away from making it back to the "big time" while playing back room bar gigs to 50 drunks.

    If teams considered much better than us going into the season like the Chargers and Ravens can take their lumps with rookie ILB's why can't we?
     
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    Didn't stop Queen and Murray.
     
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    It's not loyalty. It's comfortable.

    Steve Keim has no problem with Bidwill playing "co GM" where many other GM's would. Certainly anyone that's any good.

    Keim let's Mike play in the sandpit with all the fun toys and he doesn't want that to go away.
     
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    Love the analogy! :D
     
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    I can believe this reality to a point. But mike B has other shareholders to report to. He has to ensure consistency in the product he oversees. If he keeps employing the worst GM in the game because he likes the smell of his farts more than anyone elses then he is in trouble.
     
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    This Simmons talk could’ve been avoided if we just drafted Wirfs.
     
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    It's a family business!
     
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    And football always pays. And it pays almost as much when you lose as it does when you win. There's certainly no financial incentive for share holders to get pissed.
     
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    I'm sorry. I still take simmons over a right tackle every day of the week.

    He's going to be awesome going forward.
     
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    Give me a dominant OLineman anywhere on the line over a ILB


    He might be awesome going forward, but Wirfs is awesome now.
     
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    There have been so many swings and misses at the top of the draft that not makes my head swim. Someone needs to atone for the poor drafts.
     
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    whats your point?
     
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    What part of a family owned vs a shareholder held entity don't you understand?
     

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