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MLB Players have been out of touch for decades

It seems like this would be so easy:

#1. Institute a salary cap and salary floor based on percentage of revenue.
#2. Eliminate Service Time entirely. Contracts are from when they are signed at the draft, to a maximum of 5 years. Institute WAR level increases on the 4th and 5th year.
#3. Eliminate Arbitration.
#4. Keep the extra wildcard teams so revenue is higher. Pay playoff bonuses to all players regardless of contract status.
 

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It seems like this would be so easy:

#1. Institute a salary cap and salary floor based on percentage of revenue.
#2. Eliminate Service Time entirely. Contracts are from when they are signed at the draft, to a maximum of 5 years. Institute WAR level increases on the 4th and 5th year.
#3. Eliminate Arbitration.
#4. Keep the extra wildcard teams so revenue is higher. Pay playoff bonuses to all players regardless of contract status.
Service Time would be tricky, given the minor leagues, drafting out of high school and the long period it takes to get players to the majors.
 

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Players are just so out of touch with sports with not having a floor and a cap. The domination of giant markets isn't good for the sport.

I don't think it's that simplistic.

In other sports the caps have broken up teams that built appropriately and created a chasm on balancing expensive vets with young talent money while squeezing out average vets

Looking at the conference/league championship games for the past 10 years the NFL has had 21 teams represented (11N/10A), the NBA 17 (7E/10W), the NHL 21 (11E/10W), MLB has 18 (10A/8N)

As for champions in the past 10 years, the NHL has 6, the NBA has 7 with LeBron on 3 of them, NFL has 8 and MLB has 8

This is with the NFL and NHL now having 2 extra teams (NHL between 30-31 teams over this period) and all 3 leagues having a much larger playoff field and advancement opportunity

The issue isn't the number of teams that are in the mix, IMO

The challenge is teams staying in the mix and the bottom end not even trying to be in the mix - which is pretty consistent with the players messaging
 

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I don't think it's that simplistic.

In other sports the caps have broken up teams that built appropriately and created a chasm on balancing expensive vets with young talent money while squeezing out average vets

Looking at the conference/league championship games for the past 10 years the NFL has had 21 teams represented (11N/10A), the NBA 17 (7E/10W), the NHL 21 (11E/10W), MLB has 18 (10A/8N)

As for champions in the past 10 years, the NHL has 6, the NBA has 7 with LeBron on 3 of them, NFL has 8 and MLB has 8

This is with the NFL and NHL now having 2 extra teams (NHL between 30-31 teams over this period) and all 3 leagues having a much larger playoff field and advancement opportunity

The issue isn't the number of teams that are in the mix, IMO

The challenge is teams staying in the mix and the bottom end not even trying to be in the mix - which is pretty consistent with the players messaging
The Revenue sharing/salary cap/floor makes the gap between the top and bottom of the other sports less.

Suns went from #1 pick to the finals in what, two years? Salary caps/floors also limit the fire sales that the lower teams have had.
 

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The Revenue sharing/salary cap/floor makes the gap between the top and bottom of the other sports less.

Suns went from #1 pick to the finals in what, two years? Salary caps/floors also limit the fire sales that the lower teams have had.

Does it though?

I think the NBA with smaller rosters and NFL with shorter careers and QB importance and both having some immediacy in draft output allow teams to get in the picture.

The NBA representation got better in the last 2 years with both LA teams, PHX & Den all making their first and only appearances in a decade.

Even in those leagues you have teams that are pretty openly rebuilding, trading off vets instead of paying them and keeping payroll low while trying to strike gold on low cost assets to make a run

MLB is always unique given how players get there, roster makeup, etc

MLB has revenue sharing and a tax. The free agent market is grinding to a halt as rebuilding teams aren't spending, teams don't want to pay the tax unless they are in it for a short window.

The full rebuild teams also can get by on revenue sharing, they don't have to be good or draw.

I think there should be a floor and it should correlate to revenue sharing to some degree - if you take money from the league pool you need to use it to compete

Baseball doesn't have a LeBron or star QB that will give you instant contending framework

A team like the Angels can get a generational talent that wins rookie of the year and then MVP 3x and then pull another rookie of the year and later MVP and only make the playoffs once (with no wins) and finish above .500 3 times in that 10 year span in a big market, deep pocket owner with above average league spending and big name managers

Is there any other team in any sort that has won 40% of the MVP awards over a decade and hasn't won a playoff game?

It's just a different beast
 

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But the NBA and NFL have hard salary floors - minimum amounts have to be spent.

You literally can't do a fire sale and take your payroll to 1/6th of the highest teams in any sports other than MLB
 

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Yeah - I think a floor is useful and as mentioned I think it should tie into revenue sharing as well

Teams shouldn't be able to survive on a combination of league revenue and low payroll

The lack of floor, long path to the highest tier and service time manipulation take the NFL thought of competing with rookie deals and putting it on hyper speed.

I haven't heard players fighting a floor though??
 

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