OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Stout]

So who is the replacement?

No bloody idea. Glad I'm not paid to make those decisions

Seriously though, a good GM would realize the situation and recognize the need for change. He would then analyze every possible option, identify his best solution, and make that happen, whatever the QB target happens to be. I don't have faith Monti can or will do that. Do you?

 

[PDXChris]

Daniels is better than Kyler. He was better all season.

Remember when he was a sure fire bust because he wasn't good with mediocre talent under Herm Edwards?

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He had Rachaad White, Ricky Pearsall and Bradon Aiyuk at ASU. That shows just how bad Herm was as a HC at ASU. Imagine what Kenny would has done with this players!

And I admit I was wrong about Daniels. He's improved his mechanics so much since leaving ASU. Herm was really bad!

 

[PDXChris]

The weird thing is pre bye IMO he was doing the best job of his career on RPO's, when to hand it off, when to keep it, when to throw. Post bye he seemed to not want to run and teams schemed for it.

It was during the Seattle game when this changed after Seattle sent the house several times early and Kyler had his hamstring worked on in the second half. He seems afraid to run for a few weeks after.

 

[PDXChris]

How much of 75 million really 82 million of cap space after we cut Jalen Thompson do we spend?

I feel we will have 28 million unspent because poverty owner

After extensions, we will carry about $11 million over since Micheal paid a out $17 million in bonuses to Baker and Conner.

 

[PDXChris]

Jalen being cut?

Missed that press release.

There was a report a few days back that he is the most likely cap casualty in the Cardinals. We'll see.

 

[Russ Smith]

It was during the Seattle game when this changed after Seattle sent the house several times early and Kyler had his hamstring worked on in the second half. He seems afraid to run for a few weeks after.

Yeah that one play Leonard Williams fell on him and after that he seemed to be hurt the rest of that game.

 

[K1Day1]

The complaining about Kyler for the season was pretty much over. Most in this thread are just responding to idiotic Kyler hype whenever it rears its ugly head. Like pretending he's better than multiple playoff QBs because they lose in a tourney he cannot sniff.

Considering your response to my post after I enjoyed this holiday season. It would appear that pretty much all you do is bash Murray.
If other poster choose to highlight Murray’s achievements in their post. That is their Right. If other posters choose to like Murray as a quarterback, that is also their right. For you to down play and degrade another person's accomplishments or to belittle those that support a player, and attempt to dictate who fans can support or cheer for is; ( Using your own word ), ( Idiotic ).
As far as Murray not being able to sniff the playoffs ( LOL ), Murray has made the playoffs and has just as many playoff wins as Justin Herbert ( and I like Justin Herbert as well ). Baker Mayfield has a playoff win and many of us watched Murray play better than Mayfield.
I'm done with this convo. If you choose to reply to this. I won't be reading it. It seems quite obvious that you don't dislike Murray but rather have a blind hatred for the guy, and when you use terms like; " Crawl back out " and " Idiotic ", it seems quite obvious that you can't control your emotions when discussing the guy. I come to this site for fun, insightful conversation and fan banter. Not to try and change minds or argue with fans that can't control their emotions.

 

[Stout]

Considering your response to my post after I enjoyed this holiday season. It would appear that pretty much all you do is bash Murray.
If other poster choose to highlight Murray’s achievements in their post. That is their Right. If other posters choose to like Murray as a quarterback, that is also their right. For you to down play and degrade another person's accomplishments or to belittle those that support a player, and attempt to dictate who fans can support or cheer for is; ( Using your own word ), ( Idiotic ).
As far as Murray not being able to sniff the playoffs ( LOL ), Murray has made the playoffs and has just as many playoff wins as Justin Herbert ( and I like Justin Herbert as well ). Baker Mayfield has a playoff win and many of us watched Murray play better than Mayfield.
I'm done with this convo. If you choose to reply to this. I won't be reading it. It seems quite obvious that you don't dislike Murray but rather have a blind hatred for the guy, and when you use terms like; " Crawl back out " and " Idiotic ", it seems quite obvious that you can't control your emotions when discussing the guy. I come to this site for fun, insightful conversation and fan banter. Not to try and change minds or argue with fans that can't control their emotions.

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[ASUCHRIS]

Considering your response to my post after I enjoyed this holiday season. It would appear that pretty much all you do is bash Murray.
If other poster choose to highlight Murray’s achievements in their post. That is their Right. If other posters choose to like Murray as a quarterback, that is also their right. For you to down play and degrade another person's accomplishments or to belittle those that support a player, and attempt to dictate who fans can support or cheer for is; ( Using your own word ), ( Idiotic ).
As far as Murray not being able to sniff the playoffs ( LOL ), Murray has made the playoffs and has just as many playoff wins as Justin Herbert ( and I like Justin Herbert as well ). Baker Mayfield has a playoff win and many of us watched Murray play better than Mayfield.
I'm done with this convo. If you choose to reply to this. I won't be reading it. It seems quite obvious that you don't dislike Murray but rather have a blind hatred for the guy, and when you use terms like; " Crawl back out " and " Idiotic ", it seems quite obvious that you can't control your emotions when discussing the guy. I come to this site for fun, insightful conversation and fan banter. Not to try and change minds or argue with fans that can't control their emotions.

LOL, K1Day1...the most objective source here.

 

[TheCardFan]

What is the ASFN record for most posts or pages for a thread?

 

[Shane]

What is the ASFN record for most posts or pages for a thread?

This isnt even close yet…. And odds are Kyler will be long gone before it is. There are threads with over 12k posts.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kinda hate it for Lamar if Jayden goes to the Super Bowl. Despite the turnovers I thought he played well enough to win :/. I see media heads ready to boot him out of the top 3/4 QBs already.


I've been a Jayden Daniels fan and he's shown far more over the middle stuff than even I thought he did in college.

It might be a me thing, but the only real concern I have about his potential is that he's already 24. Which should be ridiculous considering the season he's had. The age might just be a predraft thing I have to get over.

Lamar is great. He just unfortunately resides in the AFC with Mahomes, Allen and Burrow which shrinks the margins for error in the playoffs.

 

[DaHilg]

Lamar is great. He just unfortunately resides in the AFC with Mahomes, Allen and Burrow which shrinks the margins for error in the playoffs.

And historically hasn’t played well in the playoffs

 

[Shane]

Kinda hate it for Lamar if Jayden goes to the Super Bowl. Despite the turnovers I thought he played well enough to win :/. I see media heads ready to boot him out of the top 3/4 QBs already.


I've been a Jayden Daniels fan and he's shown far more over the middle stuff than even I thought he did in college.

It might be a me thing, but the only real concern I have about his potential is that he's already 24. Which should be ridiculous considering the season he's had. The age might just be a predraft thing I have to get over.

Multiple turnovers is never playing “well enough” literally never.

 

[krazy2k]

What is the ASFN record for most posts or pages for a thread?

Who knows...but this one should be well over 200 pages by the time training camp rolls around. It will pick up steam as the 2025 season unfolds. We'll see if KMR (Kyler Matrix Reloaded) is a better version of his 2024 self and can lead the Cards to a 11+ win season or if he is simply the same ol' KM and falls apart in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Stout]

Lamar is great. He just unfortunately resides in the AFC with Mahomes, Allen and Burrow which shrinks the margins for error in the playoffs.

And he placed the ball perfectly to tie the game. It isn't on Lamar that Andrews dropped it.

 

[Shane]

And he placed the ball perfectly to tie the game. It isn't on Lamar that Andrews dropped it.

Without his two turnovers that two point conversion wouldn’t be needed. He wet the bed just as much as Andrew‘s. Plenty of blame to go around, including on himself. And perfectly placed as an overstatement. The ball definitely could’ve had better positioning.

 

[Stout]

Without his two turnovers that two point conversion wouldn’t be needed. He wet the bed just as much as Andrew‘s. Plenty of blame to go around, including on himself. And perfectly placed as an overstatement. The ball definitely could’ve had better positioning.

That should be a conversion 10 times out of 10.

As to the rest, I didn't watch the game until the very end, so I can't comment. That final drive did give me Elway vibes, though.

 

[PDXChris]

That should be a conversion 10 times out of 10.

As to the rest, I didn't watch the game until the very end, so I can't comment. That final drive did give me Elway vibes, though.

Not in those conditions. The ground was frozen, no one had solid footing and Lamar threw it to his back hip and he tried to adjust and lost his footing. It was a poor throw.

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[some dumb guy]

Who knows...but this one should be well over 200 pages by the time training camp rolls around. It will pick up steam as the 2025 season unfolds. We'll see if KMR (Kyler Matrix Reloaded) is a better version of his 2024 self and can lead the Cards to a 11+ win season or if he is simply the same ol' KM and falls apart in the 2nd half of the season.

let's all save A LOT of time. Instead of posting something that most certainly has already been said just pick any page in this thread, copy and paste. Free up hours of your day LOL

 

[some dumb guy]

Change thread title to Kyler Murray is short debate. 1 page max haahahaa

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Not in those conditions. The ground was frozen, no one had solid footing and Lamar threw it to his back hip and he tried to adjust and lost his footing. It was a poor throw.

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what are those things hidden behind the football tho? can't quite make them out...

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nevermind i got it - those are the numbers - the pass literally hit him in the numbers - it's not like the pass bounced off his helmet before andrews could secure the ball - regardless lamar is responsible for the turnovers he tried to overcome though - without those turnovers we aren't even having this conversation

 

[PDXChris]

what are those things hidden behind the football tho? can't quite make them out...

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nevermind i got it - those are the numbers - the pass literally hit him in the numbers - it's not like the pass bounced off his helmet before andrews could secure the ball - regardless lamar is responsible for the turnovers he tried to overcome though - without those turnovers we aren't even having this conversation

He did not hit him in the numbers. Andrews adjusted to the ball and lost his feet. Look at the the two pictures again and how his feet were first tangled and then were he tried himself trying to adjust. It was a bad throw and in normal conditions, Andrew's probably comes up with it.

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Try watching the whole sequence and tell me he hit Andrews in the numbers. If Kyler threw this ball, you'd 100% be criticizing Kyler.

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[Shane]

what are those things hidden behind the football tho? can't quite make them out...

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nevermind i got it - those are the numbers - the pass literally hit him in the numbers - it's not like the pass bounced off his helmet before andrews could secure the ball - regardless lamar is responsible for the turnovers he tried to overcome though - without those turnovers we aren't even having this conversation

Not sure why you posted a disingenuous photo of the ball up near his numbers after he had already tried to pull it in and started fumbling with it? And then stated that the ball was put right at his numbers because it wasn’t. The throw was good enough and he should’ve caught it, but it certainly wasn’t in the numbers. It was low more towards his waist and out in front of him. He grabs it and while trying to secure it is what your pic shows.

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[Shane]

He did not hit him in the numbers. Andrews adjusted to the ball and lost his feet. Look at the the two pictures again and how his feet were first tangled and then were he tried himself trying to adjust. It was a bad throw and in normal conditions, Andrew's probably comes up with it.

Try watching the whole sequence and tell me he hit Andrews in the numbers. If Kyler threw this ball, you'd 100% be criticizing Kyler.

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Haha same time