OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

I mean, if you have to pay him anyway, and you're not saving any cap room by cutting him ... park him on the bench and wait to see how injury situations shake out around the league before the deadline.

If nothing happens, isn't cutting him next year more advantageous?

If he’s on the roster by like March 15 he’s guaranteed another $17 million in 2027 salary.

Literally everything he's ever done. From his "I see everything" NYT interview, to his own letter headed memo released during his contract negotiations, to not getting professional training in the offseason, his interview AZ Sports last year where he said he's never had an issue with accuracy despite being statistically the worst passer beyond 10 yards over the last 4 years.

Literally everything he has ever done in the league. The guy is 5' 9" with an 8ft ego.

So two examples from three-plus years ago is the real evidence you got here?

There’s just no reason to slander the kids character; he’s already walking out the door. Why are people so mad?

There is very little in the Bidwills history that suggests such surety is warranted about taking on part of his contract to facilitate a trade. In fact, the volume of evidence about their Pennywise pound foolish modus operendi suggest otherwise.

I mean obviously you won’t go broke betting on Michael Bidwill being stupid. But he’d save more money in cash and cap by restructuring Kyler’s contract to facilitate a trade than he would releasing him.

It’s possible Michael said no without a good trade in return, but the writing has been on the wall for Kyler’s deal for six months.

 

[602 Native]

I would like to see MLF coach first. We dont know what he could be

I’m sure he has tons of confidence after hiring turds for coaches just like JG did.

 

[netsnjkidd]

I’m sure he has tons of confidence after hiring turds for coaches just like JG did.

How do you know they are turds? Did Dan Campbell hire his first year the dream team staff of known guys

 

[Dan H]

I refer you back to the post about having a malcontent QB on your roster.

No, I get it, just "thinking out loud", so to speak. It would be pretty lousy of the org to do, along the lines of what the Suns did to Jae Crowder, but I suppose they just don't have the good will to find a trade partner for him the way the Colts are working with Anthony Richardson. It's just a crap situation all around.

 

[some dumb guy]

Now look at them yo-yo's, that's the way you do it
You play QB on the big TV
That ain't working, that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your cleats for free
LOL

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Z. Collins? Although I don’t really think he’s been a “fail”

He was the #16 pick in the first round - he's a bad starter on a bad team. You don't pick rotation guys at #16.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Because Kyler thinks he doesn't have to prove anything.

I think the opposite he's signs a cheap deal just to stick it to the cards one last time.

 

[Zalixar]

I think the opposite he's signs a cheap deal just to stick it to the cards one last time.

Certainly did enough of that when he played here

 

[BritCard]

There is very little in the Bidwills history that suggests such surety is warranted about taking on part of his contract to facilitate a trade. In fact, the volume of evidence about their Pennywise pound foolish modus operendi suggest otherwise.

You only need common sense. No history required.

Any trade negotiation that gets you some form of pick and costs less than cutting him is a no brainier.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

There are plenty of teams that would take K1. They just know they don’t have to trade to get him.

If anyone truly wanted him as anything more than a lottery ticket/reclamation, they would have traded for him. If you truly think he's your answer at starting QB, you don't risk him hitting the market, and you trade for him. Clearly they don't.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If anyone truly wanted him as anything more than a lottery ticket/reclamation, they would have traded for him. If you truly think he's your answer at starting QB, you don't risk him hitting the market, and you trade for him. Clearly they don't.

Same as Russ Wilson.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Same as Russ Wilson.

I wouldn't mention Kyler ever in the same breath as Russ. (and I hate Russ!)

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I wouldn't mention Kyler ever in the same breath as Russ.

You know that's why Keim drafted him. He thought he was getting Russ 2.0.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You know that's why Keim drafted him. He thought he was getting Russ 2.0.

Instead, we got the homeless man's version of Russ.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

have we released him yet - like i said we would way back when he first refused to play

 

[D-Dogg]

Can't wait until this thread is locked and archived.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

There’s just no reason to slander the kids character; he’s already walking out the door. Why are people so mad?

Hell hath no fury like a fan scorned my friend.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Can't wait until this thread is locked and archived.

Heck, no. Why lock it? When he is no longer a Cardinal, we put OT: in front of the thread and post on. LOL

 

[Adrian]

SleeperCardinals

@SleeperAZCards
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@MatthewBerryTMR
on rumors he heard at the combine regarding Kyler Murray:

"I don’t know what team he is playing for next year. I just know what team he isn’t and that’s the Arizona Cardinals. A trade seems unlikely, but they’ll try. If not, expect Murray to be released."

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, if you have to pay him anyway, and you're not saving any cap room by cutting him ... park him on the bench and wait to see how injury situations shake out around the league before the deadline.

If nothing happens, isn't cutting him next year more advantageous?

This is not how pro sports works

 

[BritCard]

I mean, if you have to pay him anyway, and you're not saving any cap room by cutting him ... park him on the bench and wait to see how injury situations shake out around the league before the deadline.

If nothing happens, isn't cutting him next year more advantageous?

If we cut him, he's only owed something like $36m. If we keep him, more guarantees vest, and he is owed closer to $60 million.

 

[602 Native]

Not being able to use and win with K1 will be this franchises biggest black eye for decades to come.

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[Stout]

Not being able to use and win with K1 will be this franchises biggest black eye for decades to come.

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Kyler's inability to use his talent to help the franchise win is a big black eye on his legacy, too, such as it might be.

 

[TheCardFan]

Not being able to use and win with K1 will be this franchises biggest black eye for decades to come.

And cutting him for nothing - have to add that as a total failure of this organization.

 

[602 Native]

Kyler's inability to use his talent to help the franchise win is a big black eye on his legacy, too, such as it might be.

Time will tell.

Like all things in the NFL involving this organization I think the Cardinals will be pointed at the reason for the failure and K1 will be looked at another player that couldn’t pull this franchise out of mud.

It’s crazy to see posts like the one from Josh when the narrative here on this board was that K1 didn’t like football, wasn’t engaged enough as a leader, and was overall apathetic to competing.

Josh is basically saying the league looks at K1 as the total opposite.