Obvious tank job

[SoonerLou]

where do you get your weed from bro

Im just not of flipping through GM's rather easily. Especially one who walked into a situation with Kyler Murray being injured in 2 of the 3 seasons. Its the coaching thats been far worse than the talent.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Im just not of flipping through GM's rather easily. Especially one who walked into a situation with Kyler Murray being injured in 2 of the 3 seasons. Its the coaching thats been far worse than the talent.

i agree the coaching has being worse than the talent acquisitions but both are monti's responsibility

 

[Card'em]

Monte's talent acquisition, both free agents and drafts, has been average at best, and certainly well below what Seattle, San Francisco and the Rams have done over the past 3 years. I guess we could stick with him and his mediocrity for what is now year 4 of his 5 year rebuild. I think we're at least 2 years away from being competitive in our division.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The past two GMs lasted 10 and 8 years respectively. I'd be more shocked if he wasn't retained.

Oh I agree. But any franchise that actually cared about winning wouldn’t tolerate this garbage.

 

[ajcardfan]

Oh I agree. But any franchise that actually cared about winning wouldn’t tolerate this garbage.

Keim, for all his faults, which were legion, at least got us to the Super Bowl and some playoff wins. That was groundbreaking stuff for the Cardinals and his extensions, up until the last one made sense from Mike's point of view.

But Monti? He has NOTHING to hang his hat on other than saying he screwed up three drafts and a coaching staff.

 

[Mulli]

Keim, for all his faults, which were legion, at least got us to the Super Bowl and some playoff wins. That was groundbreaking stuff for the Cardinals and his extensions, up until the last one made sense from Mike's point of view.

But Monti? He has NOTHING to hang his hat on other than saying he screwed up three drafts and a coaching staff.

Powder is dry so they can cut ties with K1.

 

[ajcardfan]

Powder is dry so they can cut ties with K1.

He will be incredibly challenging to trade due to his cap ramifications. I have no faith Monti can even pull it off. Just cutting him would be the worst outcome and that is what I expect to happen.

 

[Mulli]

He will be incredibly challenging to trade due to his cap ramifications. I have no faith Monti can even pull it off. Just cutting him would be the worst outcome and that is what I expect to happen.

They will have to cut him

 

[kerouac9]

Keim, for all his faults, which were legion, at least got us to the Super Bowl and some playoff wins. That was groundbreaking stuff for the Cardinals and his extensions, up until the last one made sense from Mike's point of view.

But Monti? He has NOTHING to hang his hat on other than saying he screwed up three drafts and a coaching staff.

Rod Graves was GM for that Super Bowl run. He was here for three years of Denny Green, then the Whis run, and got canned with Whis.

 

[Stout]

Monti's only big mistake was hiring JG who hired these first time coordinators.

Now he's gotta fix it by bringing in the right coach. Keep JG and I might be out on Monti.

Monti has made plenty of big mistakes, from losing draft capital before even "landing" Gannon to failing to fix the IOL this past offseason. Lots of mistakes.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

There is no tanking, just sheer incompetence.

 

[NWMike]

He is tradeable if the Cardinals are willing to take on some of the salary owed to him in 2026. That money is a sunk cost either way so they should absolutely explore that option.

 

[GatorAZ]

Rod Graves was GM for that Super Bowl run. He was here for three years of Denny Green, then the Whis run, and got canned with Whis.

Keim became director of player personnel the year before the SB. He had Michael’s ear more than Graves.

 

[ajcardfan]

Rod Graves was GM for that Super Bowl run. He was here for three years of Denny Green, then the Whis run, and got canned with Whis.

Thank you. I forgot that he was Director of Scouting and then Personnel during that time. I seem to remember he got a lot of credit for the roster, like Boldin for example.

 

[ajcardfan]

He is tradeable if the Cardinals are willing to take on some of the salary owed to him in 2026. That money is a sunk cost either way so they should absolutely explore that option.

Whatever leverage we had for a trade is gone. Monti will have to get two teams vying for him to get anything in return. Teams know the Cards will cut him. So, Murray and his camp can work out a deal with a team and simply wait to be cut.

 

[kerouac9]

He is tradeable if the Cardinals are willing to take on some of the salary owed to him in 2026. That money is a sunk cost either way so they should absolutely explore that option.

What is the level of salary a team would be able to take on for the privilege of giving up an asset for Kyler Murray? To make the deal happen, Michael would have to convert guaranteed salary into a lump sum payment (may already be in escrow tho).

Even to make a trade happen, the Cards likely would have to take on some of his 2027 guaranteed salary.

Cope.

 

[kerouac9]

Keim became director of player personnel the year before the SB. He had Michael’s ear more than Graves.

Yes Graves was definitely a creature of Bill Bidwill but obviously Keim still worked for him. He wasn’t the GM.

 

[slanidrac16]

Monti's only big mistake was hiring JG who hired these first time coordinators.

Now he's gotta fix it by bringing in the right coach. Keep JG and I might be out on Monti.

This is 100% correct. Coaching matters and we don’t talk about this enough.
This o-line sucks and a big reason is letting Adams walk.
So hard to evaluate everything. Kyler, losing Connor, game management, play calling and design leaves so many open ends.

 

[BigRedMO]

I dont know why the media especially PHNX podcasters Venable and others and most of the fans are freaking out about the loss against Rams. Big Red totally over matched with injuries a big part of it. Problem with a long season is that the bad teams just want to go home instead of continual exposure. Boxer Roberto Durand once said "No Maus", No Maus". Nothing can be done to fix it until offseason. The team was saddled with a cancer at QB for many years. Such a mistake has serious consequences. I have been saying for years it is the type of mistake that could end Bidwill's ownership and or force relocation again.

 

[slanidrac16]

I dont know why the media especially PHNX podcasters Venable and others and most of the fans are freaking out about the loss against Rams. Big Red totally over matched. Problem with a long season is that the bad teams just want to go home instead of continual exposure. Boxer Roberto Durand once said "No Maus", No Maus". Nothing can be done to fix it until offseason. The team was saddled with a cancer at QB for many years. Such a mistake has serious consequences. I have been saying for years it is the type of mistake that could end Bidwill's ownership and or force relocation again.

How does the Barcelona Cardinals sound?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But Monti? He has NOTHING to hang his hat on other than saying he screwed up three drafts and a coaching staff.

I'll give you two drafts. So far Nolen and Johnson seem to be good picks. Especially when you throw in Simon and Burke being okay as well. Time will tell though.

 

[AZ Native]

Tank? Our division has something to do with that.

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[kerouac9]

I'll give you two drafts. So far Nolen and Johnson seem to be good picks. Especially when you throw in Simon and Burke being okay as well. Time will tell though.

Walter Nolen has played in four games. Will Johnson just had his worst game. Cody Simon is the center of a defense that’s give up 40 points or more three times in the past four weeks.

These are amazing takes honestly.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Walter Nolen has played in four games. Will Johnson just had his worst game. Cody Simon is the center of a defense that’s give up 40 points or more three times in the past four weeks.

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[schutd]

What is the level of salary a team would be able to take on for the privilege of giving up an asset for Kyler Murray? To make the deal happen, Michael would have to convert guaranteed salary into a lump sum payment (may already be in escrow tho).

Even to make a trade happen, the Cards likely would have to take on some of his 2027 guaranteed salary.

Cope.

Man, if everyone would just get ready for the inevitability of cutting KM, this board would be so much more peaceful. I'd hold plenty against MO for some questionable judgement thus far in FA and his drafting seems to flip between good and bad, based on who's out week to week (which means the reality is probably closer to bad than good), but I will not count having to capitulate and dump Murray for squat as a fault of his. That Murray extension was a total albatross. I can't imagine being an FO guy and wanting to agree to/offering those terms. Then MB rolled in and poo'ed the bed with the extensions for KK and SK, the guy who agreed to that contract at best, and came up with it on his own at worst.

Honestly, I hate to say this because I know literally everyone I think highly of on this board in terms of football opinions will disagree with me, but there doesn't seem to be much chance that ANYONE could have gotten us to where we expected to be by this time. Saying all the previous stuff out loud? what a debacle. Add in JG not living up to expectations, an OC who seems to be scheming from advice received from the OC's of seasons past, and a DC who took a major step back this season, and well... we're toast. Again.