My suggested approach to the Off-season - 2nd wave wrap-up & looking ahead

Gandhi

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I honestly do not see MO doing anything here. I think the position is locked and only if a great upgrade is available there will be an addition.
I am certainly one of those worried about the WR room, and to me, it is as much about optimizing Marvin Harrison as it is about adding another weapon. I think it is necessary to add more speed to stretch the field and create more space for the others. They must try to maximize Harrison.

Because of this, I have played with a few trade ideas, which could be completely crazy, but none the less here they are. I have only included well-known players, since I agree that if they do anything at WR it will be for a clearcut #2 option.

The Packers drafted two WR high in Matthew Golden and Savion Williams, and even though Williams is kind of a hybrid runningback, it does create a crowded unit. Jayden Reed might be the perfect wide receiver for what the Cardinals need, but I highly doubt they can get him. Christian Watson might be another case, and he is both what they need and a very good fit for the offense. Now, he is actually injured right now (exploded knee), so it might seem stupid to pay anything for him, but I think you can make the argument that with how technology has advanced, players pretty routinely come back from ACL’s nowadays, and even if he misses the first few weeks of the regular season, he could be a massive reinforcement in the home stretch. Also, they could obviously still have him for several years going forward. For different reasons (Packers’ depth, Watson’s injury, 2025 is a contract year), I could see the opportunity of buying low and potentially get a big gain in return. I would pay a conditional fourth that could turn into a third.

Alec Pierce had a breakout season with the Colts in 2024 as their main deep threat. However, he was not impressive the two seasons before that, and like the Packers, the Colts have good depth in the WR room. After this season they will have to pay Pierce if they want to keep him, so this might be the time to give the Colts a call. I would pay a third-round pick for Pierce.

Jameson Williams might seem like a far-out idea but allow me to explain myself. 1. Before the draft, Albert Breer reported that Williams might be traded during it. That obviously didn’t happen, but maybe they are still inclined to do it. 2. Since he was drafted #16 overall in 2022, he has played well, but certainly not spectacular. 3. He is going into a contract year, and in the near future the Lions have to hand out monster contracts to an army of players. Do they want to spend a lot on Williams? 4. The Lions were very aggressive in drafting a WR this year (paid two fourth rounders to move up 32 spots in the third round to get him). 5. He lives up to Ossenfort’s primary criteria of having played for Ohio State. I would pay a conditional third round-pick - that could turn into a second - for Williams.

I want to include Christian Kirk as a dark horse-option. He has just been traded, so I doubt he is leaving Houston already, but they did draft two WR’s fairly high, and they paid a seventh-round pick for Kirk, so they are not exactly heavily invested in him. He had a very good connection with Murray, so I think it is at least worth a phone call from Ossenfort to the Texans. Some late round pick swaps should probably do it.
 

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They must try to maximize Harrison.
Why? This isn't a Justin Jefferson situation where he revealed himself to be the best WR in the NFL, and then you start building the offense around him. He's shown that he can be a good starting WR, in the middle-ish tier of #1 WRs. We'd love him to develop into more, but I don't think you distort your offensive design (goes through James Conner, then Trey McBride, then Marvin Harrison and resulted in top 12 performance in both scoring and yardage) to do so.
 

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Why? This isn't a Justin Jefferson situation where he revealed himself to be the best WR in the NFL, and then you start building the offense around him. He's shown that he can be a good starting WR, in the middle-ish tier of #1 WRs. We'd love him to develop into more, but I don't think you distort your offensive design (goes through James Conner, then Trey McBride, then Marvin Harrison and resulted in top 12 performance in both scoring and yardage) to do so.
Because they will score more points?
 

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It’s cool with me that you and potentially others are satisfied with a top five-pick being “in the middle-ish tier,” but I just disagree. Hey, to each his own.

Well, and another reason is the most obvious in the world, which Mulli pointed out.
 

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It’s cool with me that you and potentially others are satisfied with a top five-pick being “in the middle-ish tier,” but I just disagree. Hey, to each his own.

Well, and another reason is the most obvious in the world, which Mulli pointed out.
I just don’t think we distort the offense to do that. I provided a specific example of Jefferson showing he could do more.

Charmin’s draft status is a sunk cost. Doesn’t mean we move on from him — that would be insane — but it does mean he has to excel within this bigger context of the offense.

He has to prove he’s more valuable than Trey McBride and make more of the chances he has. The offense has to get more explosive. None of this is about designing more plays featuring MHJ. He was the first read on a crazy number of plays last year, IIRC.
 

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I just don’t think we distort the offense to do that. I provided a specific example of Jefferson showing he could do more.

Charmin’s draft status is a sunk cost. Doesn’t mean we move on from him — that would be insane — but it does mean he has to excel within this bigger context of the offense.

He has to prove he’s more valuable than Trey McBride and make more of the chances he has. The offense has to get more explosive. None of this is about designing more plays featuring MHJ. He was the first read on a crazy number of plays last year, IIRC.
it isn't best or bust with mhj - not to mention he's only had a year in the offense you say shouldn't be catered to him - and sunken cost? lol you're just bored
 

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it isn't best or bust with mhj - not to mention he's only had a year in the offense you say shouldn't be catered to him - and sunken cost? lol you're just bored
Well it is sunk cost. We ain't getting the #4 pick back for Marv. No matter how we'll he plays.

And as for catering to him...we should expect a decent percentage of plays with him as first read...but in no way should we feed/force the ball to him until he proves he will win his battles at the catch point...which he certainly didn't do as a rookie
 

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Well it is sunk cost. We ain't getting the #4 pick back for Marv. No matter how we'll he plays.

And as for catering to him...we should expect a decent percentage of plays with him as first read...but in no way should we feed/force the ball to him until he proves he will win his battles at the catch point...which he certainly didn't do as a rookie
so everyone we've drafted is a sunk cost and you assume i want to feed/force mhj the ball - good stuff - except no - i want mhj to get open instead of fighting for space and the ball - i wanna to see him cut and gain separation instead of being pinned between a probowler and a sideline - if petzing can't figure this out then screw petzing
 

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so everyone we've drafted is a sunk cost and you assume i want to feed/force mhj the ball - good stuff - except no - i want mhj to get open instead of fighting for space and the ball - i wanna to see him cut and gain separation instead of being pinned between a probowler and a sideline - if petzing can't figure this out then screw petzing
Marv gets open pretty often.
Unfortunately kyler is looking elsewhere.
But yeah...Drew needs to design some plays to get Marv the ball in space
 

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so everyone we've drafted is a sunk cost and you assume i want to feed/force mhj the ball - good stuff - except no - i want mhj to get open instead of fighting for space and the ball - i wanna to see him cut and gain separation instead of being pinned between a probowler and a sideline - if petzing can't figure this out then screw petzing
Petzing can’t make him do those things or make Kyler throw him the ball.
 

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petzing can absolutely take his little marker or mouse and draw routes instead of races - it's kind of his job
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Pretty sure Petzing’s job is to help the Cards score more points than the other guys.
 

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I say they get another receiver and make a move. Murray also needs to run more, and become a dual threat again. They won't go deep if Murray decides he doesn't want to take on contact. The defense was upgraded, but the offense can't be a Connor McBride offense with a mediocre receiver game and expect to be playoff bound. They needed to be more aggressive and they still have a chance. Get a receiver or Trey Hendrickson. Get a guard, because you need one. Go for it!
 

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I say they get another receiver and make a move. Murray also needs to run more, and become a dual threat again. They won't go deep if Murray decides he doesn't want to take on contact. The defense was upgraded, but the offense can't be a Connor McBride offense with a mediocre receiver game and expect to be playoff bound. They needed to be more aggressive and they still have a chance. Get a receiver or Trey Hendrickson. Get a guard, because you need one. Go for it!
With a better defense they were playoff bound last season...12th ranked offense iirc.
With marginal improvement from some young players the offense should only get better.
With the mass influx of talent on our defense there is every reason to believe they are a playoff team in 2025
 

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it isn't best or bust with mhj - not to mention he's only had a year in the offense you say shouldn't be catered to him - and sunken cost? lol you're just bored
A) no one said best or bust
B) you cater to ability, not potential. If MHJ shows something special you cater to it by building to that trait. Thus far we haven’t seen what he does that’s special that would warrant adapting the offense for him.
C) sunk cost just means you don’t do something because of where someone was drafted. That cost has already been incurred, for better or worse. Don’t alter your plans due to where someone was drafted, alter them due to their ability.
 

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