Mike LaFleur’s staff rumors and hiring updates….

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We started with 4 really good defensive performances.

The Seahawks and 49ers performances were particularly impressive especially with the state of our CB room at that point. We were down to CB6 as CB1 at the end of the Panthers game.

They did give up a few 30 yard drives for a field goal at the end of the a couple games. I know to younger guys that means it was a bad game by the defense. But you'll as you get older and get a better understanding on the game you'll realize why that's wrong.

But luckily our headcoach understands that Rallis is good, and that's the guy whose decision actually matter.
Surprised he didn’t get more head coach interviews for bottling up Spencer Rattler, Mack Jones, Bryce Young, and Cam Ward.

Titans averaged 16 ppg and we only allowed 5 more than that.
 

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I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but I really wouldn't use the website as an accurate indicator of who is still employed here, considering it probably gets updated once every few months at best.
This aged poorly
 

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man, some of you guys just gotta take a negative swing no matter what happens.

Rallis, for some reason, was a well respected "up and comer" Bright mind before we hired him,...and maintained that status while here, even thugh the defense was flailing...
maybe...just maybe mind you... LaFleur knows Rallis...likes the dude,...and thinks he is a solid coach...
maybe he thinks Rallis is better than he has shown while hampered by running Gannons defense...and that the dude has a lot more to offer if given the chance by an offensive coach...to take the defense and run with it.... Maybe in 2026 we get to see the Rallis defense,...instead of seeing Rallis call plays for the Gannon defense??
when JG was hired,...we still had a defensive coordinator...after JG came in, the decision was made that he wanted to go in another direction so we released the DC.... it seems probable the same situation occurred this time..we liked Rallis, so we kept him on...but then let the new HC talk with him a bit, then decide rather or not to replace him.
woulda kinda screwed him if LaFlower didnt like him...but Vance rebounded pretty good in the same situation.

I mean, if you have a young coach that is considered league wide to be a pretty bright prospect and a very sharp football mind...why would you fire him just because you want to replace his boss??
should teams automatically fire the HC just because they want to replace the GM?
at least give the guy a chance for some continuity both in his career as well as family life.
...and he was working for a defensive coach...which pretty much means he was running another guys system...rare is the guy who abandons the system that got him a shot at being a HC just to give the next guy a chance.
Looks to me like they canned the two guys who were calling the shots...the defensive shot caller and the offensive shot caller...and the other guys got a chance to meet with the new coach and keep their jobs if it seemed they were on the same page.
I mean crap, I would hate it if I got fired every time my boss was replaced....I get fired enough on my own.
I tried to feel the optimism but can't get there. Throwing JG under the bus for hamstringing Rallis but Matt L. hires JG as his DC. Math doesn't work for me.
 

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While I understand the frustration and people being angry. We don't know if this will be the case. The DC was working under a defensive minded HC and was likely running the system JG wanted/told him to run. Rallis could do a complete 180 now with an offensive minded HC and likely more leeway with what he may actually want to do. Time will tell I guess. We have to suck it up no choice. Talk with our wallets.
So we are pinning our hopes to maybe a guy who coached under a defensive head coach who brought him over after being his defensive coordinator before that is going to do something completely different? Seems a legit reason for hope and hire someone.
 

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The honeymoon phase with ML is definitely over. Retaining Rallis & Frye??? I don’t even have words to describe how disappointing this is. My expectations for next season keep getting lower.
Right? Keeping staff from BOTH sides of the ball? WOW.
 

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man, some of you guys just gotta take a negative swing no matter what happens.

This comment is really full of crap, btw. If the above was actually the case, you wouldn’t have had Almost everyone on the board be excited or at least willing to be cautiously optimistic about LaFleur as a HC hire.

To act like no matter what the Cards do people just crap on them…. after the Cardinals bring back two coaches from two of the worst units IN THE LEAGUE just seems like you wanting to either bury your head in the sand or start fights with fans.
 

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I tried to feel the optimism but can't get there. Throwing JG under the bus for hamstringing Rallis but Matt L. hires JG as his DC. Math doesn't work for me.
right?
The entire situation is questionable...and the Flower brothers seem to think they know something that we do not
 

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right?
The entire situation is questionable...and the Flower brothers seem to think they know something that we do not
Look, I don't think Bidwill even wanted to fire JG, but his record was so bad he was kind of forced to.

Truth be told I don't really think he was that bad a coach, but between the injuries, lack of talent at key positions, and eventually just player apathy the season got out of control.

That said, this coaching situation is a really bad look. Apparently Lefleur has virtually no other coaches that feel loyalty to him - that is a bad sign.

I really do get the feeling this is going to be Kingsbury 2.0, and maybe even worse.
 

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According to Cards Wire - one reason Rallis was retained because he was the only DC candidate with play calling experience.
This may be one of the funniest sports paragraphs I’ve ever read:

“And so it is a return to Rallis, who is lauded as a defensive genius around the league, although his Cardinals defenses in three seasons have ranked 25th, 21st and 27th in yards allowed and twice in three years have been in the bottom three in the league in points allowed.”
 

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Monti had a say in this. You know, the same Monti who said Gannon was let go because players weren't being developed.
The coaching staff has more to do with player development than the HC. Let's keep those guys!!!!
 

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Only the Cardinals could make me wish we would've hired Vance Joseph.
Instead we have the same staff with a new guy calling the plays on offense.

Maybe LaFleur can bring Bill Davis in to coach the LBs. That would be perfect.
 

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Cool! Monti’s 2nd redshirt year out of 4 on the job where he can already put a fresh head coach behind the eight ball before his tenure even begins!

Plan worked so well in Monti’s first regime… totally get why he’d run that plan back again.

I don't know what to say. I thought I an others had been pretty clear. I've said it several times.

The QB is 75% of winning. Our QB sucks. Monti was lumbered with him and this is the 1st year he can realistically get out of that deal (and even then it's painful) and through the usual bad luck that haunts this team that just happened to fall on a year that we pick #3 and the QB draft options suck. The FA QB options also happen to suck.

Now I don't think Monti is perfect, but I know that none of that is on him. In fact, he's recognised Kyler sucks and is taking the first chance he's had to bin him.

Tell me, what would you have done differently at QB?
 

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LOL. We’ve had 1 winning season in a decade. 0 playoff wins in a decade. And after coming off the worst 4 year stretch in Cardinals history, you think fans have to imagine negative crap to throw around here.

That Brit is truly insane.

Yeah, that's the weird thing. There's loads of actual stuff to complain about, real tangible visible stuff.

But people here still constantly invent stuff.

If someone leave in FA that we wanted to keep there will be a dozen theories about "It's because Mike wouldn't pay him" or "He didn't like Petzings scheme". All completely without evidence. When the most likely reason is the usual ones, he got offered more money, he wanted to go play for a team with more wins, he got an offer to move to the team where he grew up and his family live etc etc.

The DC thing is a prime example, there's 6 different completely imagined negative scenarios being thrown around when the most likely one is that the new rookie HC with little play calling experience didn't also want a rookie DC with no play calling experience and he was impressed by Rallis in their conversations. Only Bullen, of the options available, had called a small amount of plays.

So yeah, lot's of negative stuff to go around that is tangibly real without inventing insanely negative reasons for everything that happens, primarily just to crap on the org.
 

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Oh...you said it so it must be true? You have zero evidence to back this up.

Yeah I do. Gannon is gone and Rallis is still here.

How many defensive HCs do you know that don't have a heavily influence, if not full control, of a defensive scheme. Gannon didn't call plays, but it was his scheme, his philosophy, and he was heavily involved in the game plan, as all HCs are.
 

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Logic is recognizing that two on the main individuals who have perpetuated the misery of this franchise over the past three seasons were the ones in on the decision.

Logic is recognizing that maybe Bidwill was not willing to allow the defensive coaches brought it to have the level of control with players on the roster that they wanted.

Logic is that Mike lacks self awareness and truly thinks it was just a Gannon, Kyler, and Petzing problem.

All of those seem far more logical than Rallis, a guy who has been in the role for three years and never produced anything better than a 15th ranked scoring defense, being the "best" choice. The guy who hasn't been able to develop or hire staff to develop the young defensive players that have been added to the roster. The same guy who assured reporters that Darius Robinson is doing all of the things he needs to do despite not generating stats on the stat sheet or grading highly on PFF which you consistently will champion.

I get being open to the idea that Rallis can be better than he has shown to be, but I shake my head at the arrogance in talking down to people who are using the three season sample size Rallis has provided to voice concerns about him being the option moving forward.

None of that is logic. It's literally just more made up crap with logic slapped on the front.

I mean seriously "Logic is recognizing that maybe Bidwill was not willing to allow the defensive coaches brought it to have the level of control with players on the roster that they wanted."

You're better than that.
 
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