LSU WR Malik Nabers Pro Day

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The dark horse to me is Brian Thomas Jr.

Maybe Monti is looking at the draft like, we can get two more premium picks and get a WR not too far off the top three.

My issue with this approach is that Brian Thomas pretty much ran like three routes. Granted he was elite, but I want a bit more versatility.
same was said about the dude in seattle... physical specimen but can only run a couple routes.
but somehow he still produces in the nfl...and we took invisibella instead
 

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same was said about the dude in seattle... physical specimen but can only run a couple routes.
but somehow he still produces in the nfl...and we took invisibella instead
That's where scouting comes in. Can he learn quick enough?

He wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize. Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself...that's why I would just stick and pick.
 

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That's where scouting comes in. Can he learn quick enough?

He wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize. Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself...that's why I would just stick and pick.
sometimes you got a guy that is just simply bigger and faster than his opponents. when thats the case sending him over the top is often the best choice because a quick read shows you if he got the step..if he did you throw it to him and if he didnt you go to the next read... the player runs a limited route tree not because thats all he CAN do but because thats all his coach WANTS him to do... happens in HS, on the playground, and in college...occasionally in the nfl too.
if you look at Randy Moss highlights you dont see much fancy route running.. its like the QB looked at him in the huddle and just said "smoke that fool"
 

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I heard Bears' meatball, but former NFL WR 100 years ago, Tom Waddle talk about Nabers yesterday. I only caught a new minutes, but Waddle liked the WR skills of Harrison more than Nabers.
as does everybody who isn't trying to make things up for draft talk.
bigger=Harrison
stronger=Harrison
faster=Harrison
route runner= Harrison
hands= Harrison
blocker=Harrison
worker=Harrison
a way to create draft talk/clicks= Nabers
 

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Waddle was talking about specific things like "lean" and a few other things that I didn't catch.
 

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as does everybody who isn't trying to make things up for draft talk.
bigger=Harrison
stronger=Harrison
faster=Harrison
route runner= Harrison
hands= Harrison
blocker=Harrison
worker=Harrison
a way to create draft talk/clicks= Nabers

Harrison better hands? Naw not true.

Faster? How fast did Harrison run? We don't know. Currently he has 0 in his 40.
 

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Harrison better hands? Naw not true.

Faster? How fast did Harrison run? We don't know. Currently he has 0 in his 40.
a zero in the 40 is pretty damn fast.
He was clocked at 22 or 23 MPH on the field last year.
as for not working out at the combine, it must be mind boggling how these numbers get reported:

Harrison combines elite length (he’s listed at 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds) with twitchy, explosive movement skills. He checked in at no. 2 overall in Bruce Feldman’s 2023 College Football Freaks List in August thanks to his impressive weight room numbers (he reportedly bench presses 380 pounds and squats 500 pounds), explosive leaping ability (he broad jumped 10 feet, 8 inches), and change-of-direction quickness (he ran the short-shuttle drill in 3.94 seconds).

As for the work part, Harrison is by far the hardest worker in the past 5-10 years at OSU. His work regimen is legendary at the athletic facility. I'll go with that over Nabers.

How many times does PFF need to be ridiculed before people quit using them as a point of reference.
 

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Oh, and I forgot,
catch radius=Harrison

and, yes, he has better hands than Nabers.
 

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Oh, and I forgot,
catch radius=Harrison

and, yes, he has better hands than Nabers.
MHJ has the highest drop rate of the big 3. That's got to account for something when talking about who has the best hands, right?

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I looked up how is drop rate determined and got very vague info like:

Drop rate is not a straightforward statistic

Despite the fact that several factors can obfuscate the analysis of drop rate.

Flat out drops I get but there aren't too many of those. What actually determines a drop? Does the WR make a great adjustment to get his hands on a bad pass but doesn't pull it in, is that a drop? I'm asking because I wasn't able to find how it's determined.
 

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Also, I'm not ripping on Nabers. He's a great prospect and will likely be a very good pro. He's just not as good a prospect as Marvin.
 

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This seemed pretty good determination.

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as does everybody who isn't trying to make things up for draft talk.
bigger=Harrison
stronger=Harrison
faster=Harrison
route runner= Harrison
hands= Harrison
blocker=Harrison
worker=Harrison
a way to create draft talk/clicks= Nabers
Nabors is absolutely faster, and much better after the catch than Harrison.
 

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i would also like to know how the 22 mph is measured

is it 22 mph for like 1 sec? the peak for a fraction of a second? and what are the comps?
 

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He is more dynamic certainly. But Harrison likely has more straight line speed .
Maybe, but we don't know this for sure.

Harrison is also significantly worse at the catch point than Odunze. Every analytic backs up that statement. Odunze is elite at it, Harrison is possibly below average at it (he won like 44%).
 

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