John Harbaugh - Baltimore fires him

[FB94]

Well if MB does pony up and bags Harbaugh he would be off the hook perception wise of not caring about winning for several years. Easy out to blame on Harbaugh and MO if it doesn’t produce any sustained success

 

[Zeno]

That's my point we would have to over pay to get him. But that 100 million contract is offset by Baltimore for 16 mil for 2 years. So Michael would only be in the hook for 68 million. 68 for four year is 17 million a year

I don’t think that is how the offset language works.

Just a quick Google search…

If a fired coach was making $5 million/year and gets hired by another team for $2 million/year, the original team only owes the remaining $3 million (or the prorated portion for the rest of the contract), not the full $5 million.

Offset language in NFL coaching contracts
allows a fired team to reduce the remaining salary owed to a coach if that coach takes a new, lower-paying job (even in college), meaning the new salary "offsets" the amount the original team must pay, preventing the coach from "double-dipping" and saving the firing team significant money, though enforcing the "duty to mitigate" (find a new job) can be complex.

In other words the offset is only if their next contract is less than what their original contract was for.

If he gets hired for more than he was making in Baltimore, they are completely off the hook as the language prevents “double dipping”.

 

[AZ Native]

I don’t think that is how the offset language works.

Just a quick Google search…

If a fired coach was making $5 million/year and gets hired by another team for $2 million/year, the original team only owes the remaining $3 million (or the prorated portion for the rest of the contract), not the full $5 million.

Offset language in NFL coaching contracts
allows a fired team to reduce the remaining salary owed to a coach if that coach takes a new, lower-paying job (even in college), meaning the new salary "offsets" the amount the original team must pay, preventing the coach from "double-dipping" and saving the firing team significant money, though enforcing the "duty to mitigate" (find a new job) can be complex.

In other words the offset is only if their next contract is less than what their original contract was for.

If he gets hired for more than he was making in Baltimore, they are completely off the hook as the language prevents “double dipping”.

Unfortunately, I think that is correct. But I'm not an expert.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

That's my point we would have to over pay to get him. But that 100 million contract is offset by Baltimore for 16 mil for 2 years. So Michael would only be in the hook for 68 million. 68 for four year is 17 million a year

Not how that works. Baltimore is offset, not the team that hires him. For instance, if his next job pays $16M, on average, then Baltimore pays nothing. If the next team only pays him $12M, then Baltimore is on the hook for $4M, to make up the difference ($16M).

 

[WisconsinCard]

I don’t think that is how the offset language works.

Just a quick Google search…

If a fired coach was making $5 million/year and gets hired by another team for $2 million/year, the original team only owes the remaining $3 million (or the prorated portion for the rest of the contract), not the full $5 million.

Offset language in NFL coaching contracts
allows a fired team to reduce the remaining salary owed to a coach if that coach takes a new, lower-paying job (even in college), meaning the new salary "offsets" the amount the original team must pay, preventing the coach from "double-dipping" and saving the firing team significant money, though enforcing the "duty to mitigate" (find a new job) can be complex.

In other words the offset is only if their next contract is less than what their original contract was for.

If he gets hired for more than he was making in Baltimore, they are completely off the hook as the language prevents “double dipping”.

Ah yes very true. Should have never got high and posted. Retirement has been good to me

 

[WisconsinCard]

So I fudged up the numbers but the point still remains we would have to over pay to get him to AZ.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The Rift Between John Harbaugh And Lamar Jackson That Led To The Coach's Firing

Owner Steve Bisciotti sided with franchise quarterback over disagreement about offensive coordinator Todd Monken

The Rift Between John Harbaugh And Lamar Jackson That Led To The Coach's Firing

Owner Steve Bisciotti sided with franchise quarterback over disagreement about offensive coordinator Todd Monken

www.outkick.com

 

[TheCardFan]

Ravens' Monken: 'Didn't coach Lamar well enough'

OC Todd Monken accepted the blame for quarterback Lamar Jackson's regression in his third season in the system, telling the "Ryan Ripken Show" he "didn't coach Lamar well enough" and "didn't have as good of a relationship as I could have [with him]."

www.espn.com

 

[TRW]

Sometimes a voice gets stale and that's what, in my opinion, is what happened with Harbaugh. Couple that with wanting to stick with an OC who seems to forget that he has Derrick Freakin' Henry in the backfield and you get FIRED. Lamar seems to be one of those people who lack social skills and self awareness to me. Great player but not a great leader maybe. They should trade him to the Cards for Murray just to get rid of him

 

[phillycard]

I wouldn’t turn up my nose at Harbaugh. I never said he wasn’t a very good coach. He is. But, I don’t think he’s of the same caliber as Payton & Reid were when they became available. Tomlin would be a disaster. Like Harbaugh, he’s played in a division where the Bengals and Browns have been utterly awful for many of the years he’s been in Pittsburgh. Unlike Harbaugh though, he can’t beat the better coaches, can’t beat the better teams & hasn’t won a playoff game in a very long time.

Very fair PA. I'm just so desperate for a proven winner that "losses in playoff games" do not even matter to me. How about just playoff game(s) for the Arizona Cardinals? I do get what you're saying from a comparison standpoint.

 

[602 Native]

Ravens' Monken: 'Didn't coach Lamar well enough'

OC Todd Monken accepted the blame for quarterback Lamar Jackson's regression in his third season in the system, telling the "Ryan Ripken Show" he "didn't coach Lamar well enough" and "didn't have as good of a relationship as I could have [with him]."

www.espn.com

Coaches are total morons. Lamar is a generational talent and these guys can’t put their egos aside and just take advantage of that fact.

 

[602 Native]

The Dolphins job is a good one for sure.

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[602 Native]

So I fudged up the numbers but the point still remains we would have to over pay to get him to AZ.

We are the Cardinals of course we will have to over pay.

Who fricking cares it’s not our money and if you are “committed to winning” like Bidbilly says it shouldn’t matter.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Dolphins job is a good one for sure.

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Book it. Not to get political but a certain politician will take credit.

 

[gimpy]

Book it. Not to get political but a certain politician will take credit.

You're right. That comment is political and, imo (who cares? ), is in the wrong forum.

 

[PACardsFan]

Very fair PA. I'm just so desperate for a proven winner that "losses in playoff games" do not even matter to me. How about just playoff game(s) for the Arizona Cardinals? I do get what you're saying from a comparison standpoint.

Understood. But, not has Tomlin just lost playoff games, his teams haven’t even been competitive in them for a long time. Do you remember how we all felt after the Rams playoff game under KK? I don’t ever want that again either. It’ll be my opinion that we erred in letting JG go. Way, way too many injuries this year to really know what things would be like next year had we kept him. Michael Bidwill is a clueless fool. What does it tell you when the last 3 coaches he’s fired (Wilks, KK, JG) all stated afterwards that they were BLINDSIDED. What concerns me is not whether they deserved to be fired or not, but that there’s obviously a lack of communication between Michael & his HC’s. Had he been honest with them and they understood what was being expected from them, I can’t imagine that all 3 of them would have come away feeling blindsided. It’ll be very difficult to almost impossible for this franchise, under Bidwill, to ever be able to lure a legitimate, long term HC to the valley. Sadly, after 62 years of watching the Bidwills, I can no longer remain in denial, Ive come to the conclusion that as long as this ownership continues, I will not see a Super Bowl Championship in my lifetime. The NFL knew what a lousy owner Bill was, and now the cats out of the bag forever as it pertains to Michael. Our future HC’s will either be retreads or young coordinators. And their stays won’t be long. Hence, wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[TheCardFan]

Understood. But, not has Tomlin just lost playoff games, his teams haven’t even been competitive in them for a long time. Do you remember how we all felt after the Rams playoff game under KK?

Tomlin hasn't had a losing season in 19 years of coaching!
He has been to the playoffs 13 out of 19 years.

Yes, I remember how we all felt after the Rams playoff game...5 years ago!
We have been to the playoffs 1 time in the last 11 years and only 1 of those years we had a winning record.

Please don't tell me how bad Tomlin is...we can only hope to get a coach of that caliber one day.

 

[PACardsFan]

Tomlin hasn't had a losing season in 19 years of coaching!
He has been to the playoffs 13 out of 19 years.

Yes, I remember how we all felt after the Rams playoff game...5 years ago!
We have been to the playoffs 1 time in the last 11 years and only 1 of those years we had a winning record.

Please don't tell me how bad Tomlin is...we can only hope to get a coach of that caliber one day.

So, I guess you would rather go to the playoffs 8 years in a row & lose in the first round EVERY time? And they have been beaten badly in many of those games. Sorry, not me. This board went nuts when the Rams embarrassed us in 2021. Now multiply that by 8 & that’s sheer misery. I hate the Steelers, so don’t take my word for it. Go ask a Steelers fan. I live next door to many of them. They would gladly hand him over to us for a warm bucket of spit.

 

[TheCardFan]

So, I guess you would rather go to the playoffs 8 years in a row & lose in the first round EVERY time?

At this point? Hell yes.
Will I get tired of it like Steelers fans, I can only hope that is true one day.

 

[daves]

the last 3 coaches he’s fired (Wilks, KK, JG) all stated afterwards that they were BLINDSIDED.

Citation needed.

 

[PACardsFan]

At this point? Hell yes.
Will I get tired of it like Steelers fans, I can only hope that is true one day.

Trust me. You would tire of getting your a$$ beat badly in the first round after 2 years at best. I’m at that stage in my life that I either want to be a serious contender for a championship, or be 3-14 with a top 5 pick. It’s a curse to be a .500 team.

 

[slanidrac16]

Some excuses of not hiring a head coach.
*Playoffs 8 years in a row.
* only 1 Super Bowl
* coached in a weak division

Man it would be nice to deal with this than 3-14.

 

[PACardsFan]

Some excuses of not hiring a head coach.
*Playoffs 8 years in a row.
* only 1 Super Bowl
* coached in a weak division

Man it would be nice to deal with this than 3-14.

Tomlin would get outcoached in EVERY divisional game we play in. Even when they’re over 500 in the AFCN, they are ugly beyond words to watch.

 

[slanidrac16]

Tomlin would get outcoached in EVERY divisional game we play in. Even when they’re over 500 in the AFCN, they are ugly beyond words to watch.

I don’t want Tomlin.

 

[KiwiCard]

Calling Harbaugh to Green Bay if Matt LaFleur is fired