Jeremiyah Love No Matter What

[Krangodnzr]

So what you're saying is...indeed, there is no consensus. Thank you

You're the one throwing around consensus!!!!

There is never a consensus on anything, but you pull the whole "Mauigoa isn't the consensus top tackle," as some point to your argument, when I tear it down with ease.

 

[Krangodnzr]

33 years ago and Hearst held out into the season. It was a different league then.

For me, I like flashy players that put butts in the seats. If we draft Love at 3 I’d be ecstatic. I remember drafting Levi over AP and I’d rather take the sure-fire HOF player, even at RB, than a pedestrian OL.

And around and around we go!!!!!!

AP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Love

Brown was viewed as a reach and hugely iffy tape even at Penn State. He didn't have nearly the pedigree and accolades that Mauigoa has.

Here are there workout numbers:

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Of note Levi's 20 yard shuttle was straight DOODOO. Mauigoa's would be considered elite.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Trad

Trading down hasn't produced any wins. Cards have a chance to get a blue chip player they need to pick at #3

The only problem is that there are only 3 blue chip players in this draft. Mendoza, Love, and Downs. Mendoza we have no chance at, and the other two are at non premium positions.

Even as one of the first 'Draft Love' guys, I at least see why people aren't crazy about the idea.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Missed the point, did anybody ask PJJ if he was ok moving to guard before the draft? Are people asking elite picks worthy of the 3rd overall pick if they're willing to move to a position they've never played before? The reason they're asking him is lots of people think that's actually going to be his best NFL position.

Again good player, definitely a 1st rounder, but 3rd no way

Why would he agree to switch from one of the highest paid positions in the NFL to one that's around middle of the pack? Especially when he will be due for an extension soon...

 

[kerouac9]

Why would he agree to switch from one of the highest paid positions in the NFL to one that's around middle of the pack? Especially when he will be due for an extension soon...

Actually for structural reasons all OL are viewed the same. Thats why the Ravens couldn’t pick up Linderbaum’s fifth-year option.

Top guards are paid like mid tackles anyway.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why would he agree to switch from one of the highest paid positions in the NFL to one that's around middle of the pack? Especially when he will be due for an extension soon...

Before he was drafted not now

 

[Stout]

You're the one throwing around consensus!!!!

There is never a consensus on anything, but you pull the whole "Mauigoa isn't the consensus top tackle," as some point to your argument, when I tear it down with ease.

Joe Thomas, Tony Boseli, and the like weren't consensus top LTs in their draft, by your rationale. That you claim there is never a consensus is only because this year, there is no consensus top OT. Two sentences--now that's tearing an argument down with ease.

Oh, and add laughing emojis here.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Joe Thomas, Tony Boseli, and the like weren't consensus top LTs in their draft, by your rationale. That you claim there is never a consensus is only because this year, there is no consensus top OT. Two sentences--now that's tearing an argument down with ease.

Oh, and add laughing emojis here.

Im not rationalizing anything. You're the one who cares what Mel Kiper thinks, not me LOL

You're the one talking about draft rankings and consensus and all that social media driven nonsense, not me, I'm only countering the fan boy group think.

I don't give a rats butt about what draftniks think about ranking, I never have. I do care about positional value for sure, because time and again, it's proven correct.

Even when RBs are good, the margin utility of a rookie contract vs a high veteran contract is very low. Jeremiyah Love has to be the best back in the league for him to be worth it.

 

[Proteus]

And around and around we go!!!!!!

AP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Love

Brown was viewed as a reach and hugely iffy tape even at Penn State. He didn't have nearly the pedigree and accolades that Mauigoa has.

Here are there workout numbers:

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Of note Levi's 20 yard shuttle was straight DOODOO. Mauigoa's would be considered elite.

Some of those stats are for 2025 Miami outside linebacker Francisco Mauigoa. Francisco Mauigoa had a 4.24 second 20 yard shuttle, a 7.15 second 3 cone drill, and a 10 foot 1 inch broad jump.

2025 Draft Scout Francisco Mauigoa - OLB - Miami

2025 Draft Scout Francisco Mauigoa - OLB - Miami

draftscout.com

Francis Mauigoa had a 4.59 second 20 yard shuttle, a 7.70 second 3 cone drill, and an 8 foot 10 inch broad jump at his pro day this year.

Miami Hurricanes 2026 Pro Day Coverage

Rueben Bain and Francis Mauigoa solidify early draft status as Akheem Mesidor and Keionte Scott impress NFL evaluators

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Stout]

Im not rationalizing anything. You're the one who cares what Mel Kiper thinks, not me LOL

You're the one talking about draft rankings and consensus and all that social media driven nonsense, not me, I'm only countering the fan boy group think.

I don't give a rats butt about what draftniks think about ranking, I never have. I do care about positional value for sure, because time and again, it's proven correct.

Even when RBs are good, the margin utility of a rookie contract vs a high veteran contract is very low. Jeremiyah Love has to be the best back in the league for him to be worth it.

The absolute arrogance. So who is the arbiter of the best prospects? You? I don't give a rat's (it's rat's BIM) butt about what you think of the rankings. You are left with solely your opinion that he's at the top of his positional group, so...who cares? You're trying to rationalize your opinion into fact. It isn't. It's an opinion. I can point to actual evidence that my opinion is fact--that he isn't the consensus top of his position group. You just don't care about evidence lol

Go on, bro. You do you. I'm not trying to change your opinion on who we should take. Just pointing out the logical fallacies you're spewing on here.

 

[GimmedaBall]

So, which friend-do is going to flip the coin and who is going to call it? (If haven't seen the movie, if you lose the coin toss the psycho kills you.)

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[Stout]

So, which friend-do is going to flip the coin and who is going to call it? (If haven't seen the movie, if you lose the coin toss the psycho kills you.)

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As a Cards fan I should just voluntarily lose lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

The absolute arrogance. So who is the arbiter of the best prospects? You? I don't give a rat's (it's rat's BIM) butt about what you think of the rankings. You are left with solely your opinion that he's at the top of his positional group, so...who cares? You're trying to rationalize your opinion into fact. It isn't. It's an opinion. I can point to actual evidence that my opinion is fact--that he isn't the consensus top of his position group. You just don't care about evidence lol

Go on, bro. You do you. I'm not trying to change your opinion on who we should take. Just pointing out the logical fallacies you're spewing on here.

Love is only the top prospect because the RB class is total buns bro.

Which logical fallacy am I committing? Riddle me that Batman.

I can point to the same damn draft rankings that almost all have Mauigoa as the top guy...which like I said, I REALLY DON'T CARE.

(I'm not mad or anything, I'm genuinely enjoying this. To me this is a mental exercise and I hope I'm not pissing you off.)

 

[Stout]

Love is only the top prospect because the RB class is total buns bro.

Which logical fallacy am I committing? Riddle me that Batman.

I can point to the same damn draft rankings that almost all have Mauigoa as the top guy...which like I said, I REALLY DON'T CARE.

(I'm not mad or anything, I'm genuinely enjoying this. To me this is a mental exercise and I hope I'm not pissing you off.)

Nah, a message board argument isn't going to get to me. No worries. I'm having fun, too!

This isn't a Love v Mauigoa conversation. It might have started that way at the beginning of this thread, but it isn't. This is a conversation about whether or not Mauigoa is worth the #3 pick over other blue-chip prospects. About whether Mauigoa is himself a blue chip prospect. In no world am I taking Mauigoa, who yes, is not the consensus best OT in the draft, over Mendoza or Bailey. Full stop. I'll knife fight anyone advocating we should. That's where it gets dicey, though, if both are gone when we pick. To me, Downs has a much higher ceiling and floor than Mauigoa, who isn't a bad prospect but doesn't blow me away as a blue chipper. Downs does.

 

[vince56]

And around and around we go!!!!!!

AP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Love

Brown was viewed as a reach and hugely iffy tape even at Penn State. He didn't have nearly the pedigree and accolades that Mauigoa has.

Here are there workout numbers:

You must be registered for see images attach

Of note Levi's 20 yard shuttle was straight DOODOO. Mauigoa's would be considered elite.

I was always more alarmed by Levi’s inability to focus. I’ve never seen one lineman false start so many times.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Nah, a message board argument isn't going to get to me. No worries. I'm having fun, too!

This isn't a Love v Mauigoa conversation. It might have started that way at the beginning of this thread, but it isn't. This is a conversation about whether or not Mauigoa is worth the #3 pick over other blue-chip prospects.

There isn't any blue chip prospects in this draft. Maybe Mendoza. Maybe.

About whether Mauigoa is himself a blue chip prospect.

He's not because there isn't any blue chip players.

In no world am I taking Mauigoa, who yes, is not the consensus best OT in the draft, over Mendoza or Bailey. Full stop. I'll knife fight anyone advocating we should.

Agree 100%. More impact positions.

That's where it gets dicey, though, if both are gone when we pick. To me, Downs has a much higher ceiling and floor than Mauigoa, who isn't a bad prospect but doesn't blow me away as a blue chipper. Downs does.

Safety just isn't that valuable brother. We've watched two good safeties for years.

 

[some dumb guy]

my opinion is fact

Krang, you missed this one...LOL
an opinion is an opinion and a fact is a fact. Ergo, an opinion cannot be a fact.

OK, now back to your corners and come out fighting....this is fun

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Says who?

Apparently zierling who has him rated in boom or bust territory.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

did we draft love yet

 

[Chopper0080]

Apparently zierling who has him rated in boom or bust territory.

From NFL.com? He has nim .01 points graded less than Joe Alt.

 

[Harry]

Joe Thomas, Tony Boseli, and the like weren't consensus top LTs in their draft, by your rationale. That you claim there is never a consensus is only because this year, there is no consensus top OT. Two sentences--now that's tearing an argument down with ease.

Oh, and add laughing emojis here.

Sorry but as a guy who tries not to trust his memory, you’re dead wrong about Joe Thomas and Tony Boseli. Both were top rated. Couldn’t find an easy link showing 2007 consensus, but just Google 2007 NFL mock drafts. Here’s a little 1995.

MOCK DRAFT

See how your NFL draft choices stack up against the experts' selections

www.tampabay.com

 

[oaken1]

Sorry but as a guy who tries not to trust his memory, you’re dead wrong about Joe Thomas and Tony Boseli. Both were top rated. Couldn’t find an easy link showing 2007 consensus, but just Google 2007 NFL mock drafts. Here’s a little 1995.

MOCK DRAFT

See how your NFL draft choices stack up against the experts' selections

www.tampabay.com

Both those guys had #1 overall whispers didnt they??

 

[Stout]

Sorry but as a guy who tries not to trust his memory, you’re dead wrong about Joe Thomas and Tony Boseli. Both were top rated. Couldn’t find an easy link showing 2007 consensus, but just Google 2007 NFL mock drafts. Here’s a little 1995.

MOCK DRAFT

See how your NFL draft choices stack up against the experts' selections

www.tampabay.com

LOL @Harry go back and read me saying how that would be the OTHER poster's rationale. Of course those guys were consensus top OTs in their drafts.

 

[Harry]

LOL @Harry go back and read me saying how that would be the OTHER poster's rationale. Of course those guys were consensus top OTs in their drafts.

Sorry if I missed something. I often do.

 

[Stout]

Sorry if I missed something. I often do.

No worries. It's endemic on a message board. How are we all supposed to always read several extra posts to get the context of the one we're replying to?