So to be a stud QB you need studs all around you? QBs can't elevate the players around them? You've just defined the opposite of a stud QB.
You're going to seriously pretend--yes, pretend, because we're in fantasy land--that KM bears no responsibility for the late-season collapse and the playoff debacle? SERIOUSLY?
This. Great QB's have made mediocre receivers look great. I am sure someone could make a list of receivers that left playing alongside great QB's and didn't do much in their new destination. Kyler made really bad reads, missed open guys, threw ill-advised passes in the back half of last season and this season. That's not on the coaches. That's not on missing a stud WR. Not putting all the blame on Kyler but he is not playing like a player living up to his draft position in year 3 (and now in the playoffs). In fact, playing 50/50 ball with Dhop and letting him do all the work says more about Dhop than Kyler.
My point on the thread is that you need one stud WR. Sure, if you draft well, you can afford that stud by have a revolving door around him to give the QB options, but in this day and age you need 'that guy' and the Cards have him and he got injured. Of course you have to have the basic foundation for him which is a competent QB to feed him (if not like the Niners, you hand the ball off to him haha) and a good center (I say center now because that guy facing all these exotic spread out defenses is the core of protecting that QB). When I say you need a stud WR, I am talking about a offense capable of winning at the big dance
You can still be a stud QB while having studs around you.
Absolutely. The argument I'm refuting is you HAVE to have studs around you to be a stud QB.
Lol it sure as hell helps as they actually catch the balls instead of drop them. Tired of seeing WRs on other teams make outstanding catches on poorly thrown balls to help their QB and our guys drop ones right in their hands it’s absurd!
Dropping and getting no separation
I am sorry but Gabe Davis put up 549 yards in the regular season. Byron Pringle put up 568 yards. Trying to say that they are significantly better players than AJ Green and Christian Kirk is silly. Zach Ertz is limited but also way better than Dawson Knox. James Conner and Chase Edmonds are both better than KC and Buff RBs.
The problem for the most part is that unless you are playing a Vance Joseph soft zone defense, you are not going to have apparent open guys and you are not going to get obvious separation. I do not know if Green not turning around against Green Bay affected his mindset or not, but after that game the dude seemed to revert to standard Big XII play and only throwing the ball late when a guy was open which will not happen much in this league. You have to throw guys open, that ball has to be in the air while that receiver is making their final moves to get the drop on a defender which is not privy to the route. Kyler sitting back there on the rim of the pocket and holding the ball will seldom present a open guy, unless he starts rolling out to change the coverage dynamics, and often will get him sacked as the tackle naturally pushes his man around that implied pocket... there were a lot of sacks coming from the outside this year which were not DJ or Beachum's fault because Kyler would not step up and use the space the tackles are providing him
Yea, I don’t think this should be said with confidence today & especially going forward.
Gabe Davis also just had the single greatest performance by a receiver in postseason history.
Outside of Rodgers & Brady this is just not true.
Lol and Joe Burrows weapons are Chase, Higgins and Boyd. All better than anyone we had out on the field against the Rams.. all big time separation guys. I’d even argue at this point in his career CJ O is equivalent to Ertz.I dunno ... Joe Burrow was sacked 9 times and found a way to win
Knox has had a terrific season. I’d be careful about trumpeting an older ertz over him.
Not to argue the same point on multiple threads but this is where the WR room impacts the TE. Knox runs wide open over the middle because of the vertical element of the Buffalo offense. Losing Hopkins probably hurt Ertz the most.
That is where a great QB elevates players. The Chiefs rolling coverage to Diggs gave Davis one on one opportunities and Allen didn't miss him. I have seen Murray miss Kirk in similar situations.
Really - Did Brady make his recievers look great on Sunday?
The issue is we had no #1 to draw defenses to.
Gabriel Davis is 12 years younger and a lot faster
I’m in your camp. First move is DC. Maybe they are waiting until his opportunity to land the Miami job. Never looks good to get fired while your trying to interview for another position elsewhere. That being said, I wouldn’t care - a lot of fired coaches are interviewing for other positions. No action by the team makes me feel we are in the same boat next year.
