Hypothetical question on Stanton in the offseason

[sundevil04]

Ok, I'll be the first to say I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I thought this would be an interesting topic to debate.

Let's say Stanton plays very well, I'll call it averaging 250 yds/game,a 2/1 or better TD/INT ratio and competing 63% of his passes, and looks like a legit NFL starter. He takes us to the Superbowl....and we're offered a 2nd round pick for him in the off-season.

Do you take it?

Me...yes.

 

[Iceman]

Ok, I'll be the first to say I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I thought this would be an interesting topic to debate.

Let's say Stanton plays very well, I'll call it averaging 250 yds/game,a 2/1 or better TD/INT ratio and competing 63% of his passes, and looks like a legit NFL starter. He takes us to the Superbowl....and we're offered a 2nd round pick for him in the off-season.

Do you take it?

Me...yes.

Well, depends on the Palmer situation too. Is CP going to be ready? Is he going to retire? If CP is not coming back, then my answer is No.

 

[sundevil04]

This is assuming that CP is back and ready for next season

 

[BigRedRage]

Ok, I'll be the first to say I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I thought this would be an interesting topic to debate.

Let's say Stanton plays very well, I'll call it averaging 250 yds/game,a 2/1 or better TD/INT ratio and competing 63% of his passes, and looks like a legit NFL starter. He takes us to the Superbowl....and we're offered a 2nd round pick for him in the off-season.

Do you take it?

Me...yes.

if Stanton wins the super bowl, you may have to make him the starter next year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Stanton's ceiling is good backup QB. If Palmer isn't expected next season we need to find a real starter. But the way the OP question is crafted, no, I wouldn't consider trading Drew for a 2nd rounder. If he really plays like a legit starting (Super Bowl) QB I wouldn't let him go for less than a 1st round pick especially given Carson's age and injury history. Drew is 30 years old but he has very little mileage on him so his next team could expect a good 6 to 8 years out of him. That's worth quite a bit IMO.

Steve

 

[john h]

Ok, I'll be the first to say I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I thought this would be an interesting topic to debate.

Let's say Stanton plays very well, I'll call it averaging 250 yds/game,a 2/1 or better TD/INT ratio and competing 63% of his passes, and looks like a legit NFL starter. He takes us to the Superbowl....and we're offered a 2nd round pick for him in the off-season.

Do you take it?

Me...yes.

N0. You need two decent QB's on a team. We found that out this year and were fortunate to have a QB as good as Stanton. Backup QB are hard to find. Stanton has played well but is still not Palmer. Our defense has been the major reason for where we are so far. I predicted we would go 8-8 or 9-7 this year so you see how smart I am. Glad to see McCowan doing well as a starter.

 

[Solar7]

Ok, I'll be the first to say I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I thought this would be an interesting topic to debate.

Let's say Stanton plays very well, I'll call it averaging 250 yds/game,a 2/1 or better TD/INT ratio and competing 63% of his passes, and looks like a legit NFL starter. He takes us to the Superbowl....and we're offered a 2nd round pick for him in the off-season.

Do you take it?

Me...yes.

I had thought Stanton was a FA at the end of the season... I'm happy to see that he isn't.

For a 2nd round pick, I would do it. But that's a lot more than I think we can reasonably expect his value to get to. He'll be 31 or so next year, and isn't a legitimate QB of the future type prospect, like guys like Schaub, Flynn, or even Kolb were. Not that they lit the world on fire, but they at least had youth and potential on their side. Stanton is a pretty known commodity.

 

[Absolute Zero]

No way, I'd rather have a solid backup QB especially given the wear and tear on Palmer.

 

[Capital Card]

I think Palmer has shown we need a competent back-up QB on the roster. Stanton's value is that he knows the offense. Will Logan Thomas be at a similar point to start next season? I'm not sure. Lindley is another option to consider.

Which is the better combo?

[Lindley/(or other Back Up QB) + 2nd round pick] vs Stanton

 

[Iceman]

Who has serious belief that Palmer will be back next year? How much was the guarantee $ did he get? I am not saying that he is going to just say, screw it and take the guaranteed money, but at his age and the 2nd injury on this knee is going to be a long road to just get it back to normal. As much as he loves the game, life after football is important too. Of course we want him back, but I would completely understand why he wouldn't.

 

[BigRedRage]

Who has serious belief that Palmer will be back next year? How much was the guarantee $ did he get? I am not saying that he is going to just say, screw it and take the guaranteed money, but at his age and the 2nd injury on this knee is going to be a long road to just get it back to normal. As much as he loves the game, life after football is important too. Of course we want him back, but I would completely understand why he wouldn't.

He said hes coming back for sure, I dont imagine it changes. Especially if he watches this team march through the postseason. Its his chance to finally win.

 

[ajcardfan]

No, heck no. You want Logan Thomas as #2 next year?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No, heck no. You want Logan Thomas as #2 next year?

Yes. He either needs to prove he belongs, or they need to groom another QB.

 

[ajcardfan]

Yes. He either needs to prove he belongs, or they need to groom another QB.

That's what camp and preseason is for. Like 90% of teams, we will want our #2 to win some games next year. A proven #2 is very valuable, the difference in a playoff spot or not.

LT instead of Stanton this year would mean 6-4, and tied for first, and dropping like a rock the rest of the year.

 

[kerouac9]

That's what camp and preseason is for. Like 90% of teams, we will want our #2 to win some games next year. A proven #2 is very valuable, the difference in a playoff spot or not.

LT instead of Stanton this year would mean 6-4, and tied for first, and dropping like a rock the rest of the year.

Are you saying that 90% of teams require their #2 to win games in a season, or that 90% of teams want their #2 to win games.

I'm pretty sure that both of those premises are pretty flawed.

 

[Mulli]

100% of NFL teams hope the #2 never plays.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's what camp and preseason is for. Like 90% of teams, we will want our #2 to win some games next year. A proven #2 is very valuable, the difference in a playoff spot or not.

LT instead of Stanton this year would mean 6-4, and tied for first, and dropping like a rock the rest of the year.

Conjecture in the grandest.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Are you saying that 90% of teams require their #2 to win games in a season, or that 90% of teams want their #2 to win games.

I'm pretty sure that both of those premises are pretty flawed.

Pretty much. The whole post is flawed IMO.

 

[BigRedRage]

90% of the time 20% of the percentages are 5% made up.

 

[Mulli]

90% of the time 20% of the percentages are 5% made up.

Poll?

 

[Jim Otis]

90% of the time 20% of the percentages are 5% made up.

So , that is what an absolute certainty looks like , thanks BigRed !!!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Good grief, no. Its time that we start thinking like contenders and not rebuilders.

What QB are we going to draft in the second round that would be better? Palmer is older and has the potential for injuries. He took out his own ACL without anyone touching him. Palmer has courage, I will give him that, but if you want to win, and win now, which is where the Cardinals are, you keep him.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

60% of the time; it works every time.

 

[GatorAZ]

Good grief, no. Its time that we start thinking like contenders and not rebuilders.

What QB are we going to draft in the second round that would be better? Palmer is older and has the potential for injuries. He took out his own ACL without anyone touching him. Palmer has courage, I will give him that, but if you want to win, and win now, which is where the Cardinals are, you keep him.

You don't draft a player that high to be a backup. In the 2nd round you want a guy who will be a significant piece of your team for many years (looking at you Kevin).

 

[ajcardfan]

Are you saying that 90% of teams require their #2 to win games in a season, or that 90% of teams want their #2 to win games.

I'm pretty sure that both of those premises are pretty flawed.

Stated poorly by me. Most teams lose their starter for a game or two during a season. It's not as bad as it used to be 10 years ago, but it's still hard to keep a QB on the field for all 16 games. When that happens, teams want to win, not write those games off for evaluating a QB.

I wasn't the one saying teams should evaluate players they are uncertain about during the regular season when they are in contention instead of keeping players in the offseason who give them a better chance to win if you need them. Talk about a flawed premise. That's the loser mentality of all the years being out of the playoffs and not being able to overcome injuries.