Herb Sendek thread

[Mainstreet]

Now everybody cheer!

 

[Iceman]

Why would he get an extension?

 

[Mainstreet]

Why would he get an extension?

Just guessing, but I think the new A.D. must have faith in him going forward... that they cannot do much better in hiring a new coach.

The article seems to emphasize inroads in recruiting.

Here is a link:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...xtensions-with-sendek-turner-thorne/14945243/

 

[HooverDam]

Bleck. Herb did some nice things initially but has just stalled out and I don't know if he'll ever do better than having ASU in the tourney 1 in every 4 years.

Unfortunately, with all of ASUs resources going to the football stadium and other projects right now, Anderson probably realizes it would be financially difficult to can Sendek right now and pony up for someone else. So he'll let Sendek keep the seat warm and see if he can finally get some kind of consistency, while they focus on the football program.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Unfortunately, with all of ASUs resources going to the football stadium and other projects right now, Anderson probably realizes it would be financially difficult to can Sendek right now and pony up for someone else.

But Sendek has three years left on his contract so why not wait and see how the next couple years go? Facts are Sendek has roughly the same conference winning % as Mike Stoops and we fired him midseason. That makes me think you're absolutely right about the football thing, ASU seems happier going cheap and treading water in hoops than being competitive. Of course this plan only makes sense if the football program turns into a powerhouse so there's a lot riding on Graham's shoulders.

 

[Mulli]

Yay! Saves me from sending that dumb school any money.

 

[Mathew81]

Lost to Lehigh at home tonight in triple OT while our leading scorer only got 2 minutes after halftime! Great work Herb!

 

[devilalum]

Wow, I didn't realize ASU still had a basketball program.

 

[devilalum]

OK, I'm still confused. Is this like that club level thing they do with the hockey?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I guess I was being too nice suggesting ASU Basketball would be treading water with Herb. That's a really really bad loss.

 

[Mathew81]

2 conference games in and we couldn't hit 50 points in either one. We've had 38 turnovers and only 31 made FGs in those 2 losses.

At least the extension only gave him 1 more guaranteed year. He has to meet certain performance requirements to get additional years.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...tate-sun-devils-approve-herb-sendek-extension

The new deal, approved Thursday, was for one year, through June 2017, with a raise to $1.5 million.

Another year would be added if Arizona State wins 20 games or reaches the NCAA tournament once over the remaining years of the contract or any extension year.

Two years will be added if the Sun Devils win 25 games or appear in the NCAA tournament three times over that same span. He would receive incremental raises with each added year.

We aren't reaching 20 wins this year so his contract is still only for 2 more years. Maybe he'll see the writing on the wall and convince some other school that he's the answer.

 

[devilalum]

IMO enough time has passed since the "Headache." There's no good reason why ASU shouldn't have a respectable basketball program on a regular basis.

 

[jf-08]

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Hmm, sounds like Miller needs to tank the game in Tempe next year and get Herb another extension.

 

[overseascardfan]

IMO enough time has passed since the "Headache." There's no good reason why ASU shouldn't have a respectable basketball program on a regular basis.

ASU is more known as a football and baseball school. But I do see your point, why wouldn't a one and done kid not want to go to a party school like ASU for a year and then go into the NBA, reason's got to be the coach but in all honesty what big time coach is going to want to come here unless ASU is going to make him the top paid college coach? Answer is no one because that ain't gonna happen.

 

[TJ]

IMO enough time has passed since the "Headache." There's no good reason why ASU shouldn't have a respectable basketball program on a regular basis.

Your AD is a football guy thru and thru. There's no sense of urgency to build a formidable men's basketball team at ASU; otherwise, Sendek would've been clipped years ago. All resources and efforts are allocated to football. Also, the reality of the situation is that whomever coaches at ASU has the dubious task of recruiting and competing against UofA, and Sean Miller isn't leaving anytime soon.

Sendek will be gone sooner rather than later, but I wouldn't expect much of an upgrade taking his place.

 

[devilalum]

Your AD is a football guy thru and thru. There's no sense of urgency to build a formidable men's basketball team at ASU; otherwise, Sendek would've been clipped years ago. All resources and efforts are allocated to football. Also, the reality of the situation is that whomever coaches at ASU has the dubious task of recruiting and competing against UofA, and Sean Miller isn't leaving anytime soon.

Sendek will be gone sooner rather than later, but I wouldn't expect much of an upgrade taking his place.

Duke and NC are a mile apart and neither seems to have any problem recruiting.

 

[TJ]

Duke and NC are a mile apart and neither seems to have any problem recruiting.

Bad comparison. NC and Duke both have history, tradition, elite coaching, and national support; whereas, of the two Arizona teams, UofA is the only known commodity and ASU has to tarp off seats in the stadium to make it look less empty.

Can ASU be a top 5 team in the conference year in and year out? Sure. But there has to be a solid investment in the program, more so than with past regimes.

 

[Mathew81]

ASU is more known as a football and baseball school. But I do see your point, why wouldn't a one and done kid not want to go to a party school like ASU for a year and then go into the NBA, reason's got to be the coach but in all honesty what big time coach is going to want to come here unless ASU is going to make him the top paid college coach? Answer is no one because that ain't gonna happen.

At some point we need to give up on the notion of big name coaches and actually try to get someone who is going to make his name here. Every time there's a coaching search, the AD says that they only want someone who has major HC experience. They never want to risk going after an unknown. But the only guys that have proven experience that are going to come here are guys who have proven to be mediocre. Instead we need to go young. Get someone who has some charisma and is a salesman on the recruiting trail because this program can't sell itself.

 

[Mainstreet]

At some point we need to give up on the notion of big name coaches and actually try to get someone who is going to make his name here. Every time there's a coaching search, the AD says that they only want someone who has major HC experience. They never want to risk going after an unknown. But the only guys that have proven experience that are going to come here are guys who have proven to be mediocre. Instead we need to go young. Get someone who has some charisma and is a salesman on the recruiting trail because this program can't sell itself.

I think you very close to the answer. Going after a major HC often leaves scraps.

 

[devilalum]

Get someone who has some charisma and is a salesman on the recruiting trail because this program can't sell itself.

Exactly. ASU is a glitzy, rock star destination. They need a charismatic coach that pulls in that kind of talent. I find it hard to believe that a normal 18 year old kid would rather live in Tucson than the valley? Other than SoCal and maybe Seattle ASU has the best weather, entertainment, pro sports etc. And don't say Stanford or Cal because both of those schools are too academic to appeal to the one and done talent.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

ASU is a glitzy, rock star destination.

According to who?

And for the record - if your recruiting strategy is based around partying then you're going to get a lot of players who like to party. That's often not conducive to winning games or staying off the police blotter.

 

[TJ]

Herb Sendek has agreed to a 3 year extension with Sun Devils

Exactly. ASU is a glitzy, rock star destination. They need a charismatic coach that pulls in that kind of talent. I find it hard to believe that a normal 18 year old kid would rather live in Tucson than the valley? Other than SoCal and maybe Seattle ASU has the best weather, entertainment, pro sports etc. And don't say Stanford or Cal because both of those schools are too academic to appeal to the one and done talent.

That doesn't make sense. Why do kids flock to places like Lexington, Louisville, Durham, Madison, and Columbus instead of "rock star destination" Tempe? And by that logic, how come USC has been largely irrelevant for what seems like forever?

College location for recruits is not as important as you may believe.

BTW--as someone who lived in the Valley for 20+ years, grew up in Scottsdale, and currently lives in Los Angeles, glitzy, rockstar location is not how I would describe Tempe or any city in Phoenix/Metro.

 

[overseascardfan]

That doesn't make sense. Why do kids flock to places like Lexington, Louisville, Durham, Madison, and Columbus instead of "rock star destination" Tempe? And by that logic, how come USC has been largely irrelevant for what seems like forever?

College location for recruits is not as important as you may believe.

BTW--as someone who lived in the Valley for 20+ years, grew up in Scottsdale, and currently lives in Los Angeles, glitzy, rockstar location is not how I would describe Tempe or any city in Phoenix/Metro.

All those schools on your list have a big time coach which was the main point in my post. What I meant by "party" school is the academic requirements and curriculum should be appealing to a one and done player as poor academic student athletes can stay eligible with relative ease. The atmosphere is just a bonus.

I know it may sound bad but let's face it, big time recruits with lottery pick potential aren't sticking around for their education. That's why when 5-star recruits say a school with good academics is what they are looking for I say tell me that after you declare for the draft after your freshman year.

To the argument, you don't need a big time coach but one with charisma instead. Name some charismatic coaches from small schools that are winning programs that ASU has a shot at. Those type of coaches usually stay where they are or take big time jobs at powerhouse schools or the NBA (Brad Stevens) unless you write them a blank check. The only reason ASU got Sendek is because he wasn't going to last much longer at NC State.

 

[Absolute Zero]

I guess I was being too nice suggesting ASU Basketball would be treading water with Herb. That's a really really bad loss.

Herb Sendek is now 9-8 against the U of A Wildcats.