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He wants to win as much as, like, Mike Brown does. He doesn’t want to win as much as Dan Snyder and Jerruh do.I’ve got no problem with Michael Bidwill. I don’t believe for a minute that he doesn’t want to win as bad as any other owner.
Interesting choices of owners for comparison.He wants to win as much as, like, Mike Brown does. He doesn’t want to win as much as Dan Snyder and Jerruh do.
I also think he has lower standards and expectations than the Rooneys or Maras.
Imagine being an embarrassing failure for like 28 out of 31 years. I’d be burning to succeed.
He has a funny way of showing it. Why fire the guy ruining the roster even when he gets ANOTHER DUI and continues to suck? It really showed how much he wants to win when he later penned the same guy to a 5-year extension for no plausible reason. Suuure he wants to win so bad lolI’ve got no problem with Michael Bidwill. I don’t believe for a minute that he doesn’t want to win as bad as any other owner.
Interesting choices of owners for comparison.
In the last 10+ years (since 2012), the Cardinals are 1 game below .500 in the regular season, with 1 playoff win.
The Bengals are +2 (with 3 playoff wins), Washington -28 (0 playoff wins), Cowboys +25 (2 playoff wins), and Giants -36 (0 playoff wins).
Since the Cardinals stadium opened in 2006, the Cards are 7 games below .500 in the regular season with 5 playoff wins.
The Bengals are -9 (with 3 playoff wins), Washington -50 (0 playoff wins), Cowboys +41 (3 playoff wins), and Giants -18 (but with 2 Super Bowl wins!).
(I left out the Steelers because they've been amazingly consistent at winning so there's obviously no comparison there.)
Bottom line... excepting the Rooneys, it doesn't look as though there's much correlation between "wanting to win" and winning. Having higher "standards and expectations" may be what helped the Steelers be consistently great... or maybe it was having a HOF QB and Coach the entire time.
Having higher "standards and expectations" certainly hasn't helped the Maras in the last 10 years, or the last 16 aside from two miraculous Super Bowl wins. Maybe the Giants' Super Bowl wins in the 2000's were the result of higher "standards and expectations".
...dave
One playoff win a decade! In a league defined by parity.In the last 10+ years (since 2012), the Cardinals are 1 game below .500 in the regular season, with 1 playoff win.
I agree that Mike wants to winI’ve got no problem with Michael Bidwill. I don’t believe for a minute that he doesn’t want to win as bad as any other owner.
Everyone wants to win! Only a total psychopath would intentionally sabotage their team. But wanting to win and performing the actions required to win are two different topics.I agree that Mike wants to win
Yep, that 1 playoff win in a decade is confirmation the system works!They wanted to succeed, but also didnt think they needed to change much --even in the face of circumstances telling them they really needed to change things. I fear that is where Mike B is
What somebody “wants” means absolutely nothing, it’s all how they execute. MB struggles in that regard most notably his mistaken loyalty to Keim.I’ve got no problem with Michael Bidwill. I don’t believe for a minute that he doesn’t want to win as bad as any other owner.
What if I want to be a billionaire? Is that how it works? I really want it!What somebody “wants” means absolutely nothing, it’s all how they execute. MB struggles in that regard most notably his unfounded loyalty to Keim.
The standard is the standard.Everyone wants to win! Only a total psychopath would intentionally sabotage their team. But wanting to win and performing the actions required to win are two different topics.
Yep, that 1 playoff win in a decade is confirmation the system works!
I’ve got no problem with Michael Bidwill. I don’t believe for a minute that he doesn’t want to win as bad as any other owner.
I truly believe he wants to win but he doesn't have the football connections with the right people to figure out who to hire. He found a GM that got us to a SB & he still believes in him, basically he's thinking that will happen again. He's comfortable with Keim & buddies so I don't see Keim going anywhere.Mikes record since he became owner is by far the most winning period in Cardinals history. Since he took over in 2007 the team is 125-126-2. That's the 16th best record in that period. We have achieved mediocrity which is a big step up from the previous 85 years. I don't question that he wants to win.
Imagine being a Jags fan who are 82-171 since 2007.
I do however think he only wants to win within a certain set of paremeters that include him being able to be involved in day to day football operations. And that requires a friendly GM that will put up with it so why not his good buddy Steve?
Mike wants to win but only on his terms. We would win more if he hired a better GM and he kept his nose out of football affairs. We will always be limited by his need to be overly involved.
It's part of what's so infuriating about this franchise because you can argue this point both ways. On one hand there is no doubting that Mike has been the best principle owner the Cards have ever had and on the other there's no doubt he's limiting how successful we can be.
Ultimately I think he's more of a hinderance now than not. Being better than all time dog crap is not good enough if he's limiting us to being mediocre.
Just curious with you specifically in that you seem to excuse Michael's mediocre overall record simply because his predecessors were awful. Why doesn't said excuse not apply to Kyler's mediocre 2022 season because his predecessors were the likes of Sam Bradford, Josh Rose, Blaine Gabbert, Max Hall, etc?Mikes record since he became owner is by far the most winning period in Cardinals history. Since he took over in 2007 the team is 125-126-2. That's the 16th best record in that period. We have achieved mediocrity which is a big step up from the previous 85 years. I don't question that he wants to win.
Imagine being a Jags fan who are 82-171 since 2007.
I do however think he only wants to win within a certain set of paremeters that include him being able to be involved in day to day football operations. And that requires a friendly GM that will put up with it so why not his good buddy Steve?
Mike wants to win but only on his terms. We would win more if he hired a better GM and he kept his nose out of football affairs. We will always be limited by his need to be overly involved.
It's part of what's so infuriating about this franchise because you can argue this point both ways. On one hand there is no doubting that Mike has been the best principle owner the Cards have ever had and on the other there's no doubt he's limiting how successful we can be.
Ultimately I think he's more of a hinderance now than not. Being better than all time dog crap is not good enough if he's limiting us to being mediocre.
Just curious with you specifically in that you seem to excuse Michael's mediocre overall record simply because his predecessors were awful. Why doesn't said excuse not apply to Kyler's mediocre 2022 season because his predecessors were the likes of Sam Bradford, Josh Rose, Blaine Gabbert, Max Hall, etc?
The entire organization is a clown show - MB is an incompetent goober, Keim is a drunk buffoon, Kliff is an unqualified headcase, and Kyler is a loner and an *******.
So he doesn't want to truly win. He wants to win on his terms, which has produced one playoff win in 10 years. Winners do what it takes to win - MB isn't serious about winning.I do however think he only wants to win within a certain set of paremeters that include him being able to be involved in day to day football operations.
Mike wants to win but only on his terms.
Bottom 10 statistical defense, bottom 5 running game (w/out Kyler), below average special teams play, questionable game management decisions galore, off-the-field issues with coaches and players left and right but yeah Kyler is currently the only bad thing going with the organization right now.What part of "Being better than all time dog crap is not good enough" did you not understand?
But the reason it doesn't apply is because Kyler isn't better than the previous dog crap. He currently is the dog crap.
Bottom 10 statistical defense, bottom 5 running game (w/out Kyler), below average special teams play, questionable game management decisions galore, off-the-field issues with coaches and players left and right but yeah Kyler is currently the only bad thing going with the organization right now.
I won’t even get into the last comment. Kyler could retire tomorrow and be one of the top 5 Cardinals quarterbacks ever even with this past 15 games on his resume. You’re starting to lose it here with this subject Brit.