Grade our position groups.

[Cardiac]

QBs -B-
RBs- B+
WRs- C+
TEs- A+
OL- B+
Edge- B
DTs- B+
ILB- C
CBs- B
Safeties- A
I tried to be conservative with my grades.
A couple of points:
QB is higher because of Brissett.
ILB is lower because the depth sucks.
DT is that high because Stills is going to break out this year.
CB should be higher by years end.

 

[Proximo]

QBs -B-
RBs- B+
WRs- C+
TEs- A+
OL- B+
Edge- B
DTs- B+
ILB- C
CBs- B
Safeties- A
I tried to be conservative with my grades.
A couple of points:
QB is higher because of Brissett.
ILB is lower because the depth sucks.
DT is that high because Stills is going to break out this year.
CB should be higher by years end.

Well you say you are conservative, but it doesn't seem that way to me. Here are the changes I would make

RB's B-
TE's A-
OL B
Edge B- or C+
DT's B
ILB C-
CB's C+

Basically I think you are a little to high almost everywhere.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

QBs -B-
RBs- B+
WRs- C+
TEs- A+
OL- B+
Edge- B
DTs- B+
ILB- C
CBs- B
Safeties- A
I tried to be conservative with my grades.
A couple of points:
QB is higher because of Brissett.
ILB is lower because the depth sucks.
DT is that high because Stills is going to break out this year.
CB should be higher by years end.

bueno like jay leno cept your o-line - c minus

 

[BACH]

For me the big question is the same thing I have stated all off-season.

Most position groups on this team are among the best in the league in terms of depth. It’s the top talent that is lacking right now. Maybe the young players will take the next step, but we do not know. The secondary eg. Could be the best in the NFL by the end of the season or an above average like now - all depending on the development of Melton, Johnson and DTD.

QBs -B- ( I have Kyler as a 12th ish QB)
RBs- B (only be until Benson proves himself)
WRs- C+ (MHJ and a group that are all borderline #2 or #3 WRs)
TEs- A+ (Best room in the league)
OL- A- (two top 10 at their position and good depth)
Edge- B (depth is awesome, but no elite player)
DTs- B+ (crazy depth and could become the best of DR and Nolen develops)
ILB- C- (easily the weakest room)
CBs- B- (top nickel back and two players with high high potential)
S - A (top 3 S in Budda, a very good player in Thompson and 2nd year player that has shown glimpses of brilliance)

 

[oaken1]

For me the big question is the same thing I have stated all off-season.

Most position groups on this team are among the best in the league in terms of depth. It’s the top talent that is lacking right now. Maybe the young players will take the next step, but we do not know. The secondary eg. Could be the best in the NFL by the end of the season or an above average like now - all depending on the development of Melton, Johnson and DTD.

QBs -B- ( I have Kyler as a 12th ish QB)
RBs- B (only be until Benson proves himself)
WRs- C+ (MHJ and a group that are all borderline #2 or #3 WRs)
TEs- A+ (Best room in the league)
OL- A- (two top 10 at their position and good depth)
Edge- B (depth is awesome, but no elite player)
DTs- B+ (crazy depth and could become the best of DR and Nolen develops)
ILB- C- (easily the weakest room)
CBs- B- (top nickel back and two players with high high potential)
S - A (top 3 S in Budda, a very good player in Thompson and 2nd year player that has shown glimpses of brilliance)

I like that.
But I would bump RB to an "A"

We have twin RB1's,...one of whom runs a 4.3....and then we have two backups who are fully capable of housing it from anywhere on the field. It's easily a league top 5 RB room. Maybe top 3.


And reduce safety to a C+

JT regressed. Budda is popular but has minimal positive impact outside of run defense....and the youth is untested.

 

[BACH]

I like that.
But I would bump RB to an "A"

We have twin RB1's,...one of whom runs a 4.3....and then we have two backups who are fully capable of housing it from anywhere on the field. It's easily a league top 5 RB room. Maybe top 3.


And reduce safety to a C+

JT regressed. Budda is popular but has minimal positive impact outside of run defense....and the youth is untested.

Let's agree to disagree.

Benson is way more untested than DTD - 13% of snaps vs. 24% of snaps. Connor is a 10th-ish RB in the NFL with untested talent behind him.

Budda is the key to this entire defense and the creative scheme. Listen to any podcast with scheme nerds and hear them RAVE about Budda and how Rallis use him. DTD had 24% defensive snaps. That's enough to have a solid dataset and he looked good (awesome for a rookie).

 

[Cardiac]

I like that.
But I would bump RB to an "A"

We have twin RB1's,...one of whom runs a 4.3....and then we have two backups who are fully capable of housing it from anywhere on the field. It's easily a league top 5 RB room. Maybe top 3.


And reduce safety to a C+

JT regressed. Budda is popular but has minimal positive impact outside of run defense....and the youth is untested.

Benson is still unproven although he is looking to have a breakout season. I really like the RB room but it's not a proven commodity at this point.

The disrespect on this board for BB astounds me. Dude always ends up on the top 100 players list. Imo that is more accurate than probowl awards and BB has several of those. I heard Aaron Rodgers talk about how amazing BB is because of all the things he does.

 

[Chopper0080]

Because everyone who disagrees with me is normally wrong, here are my grades so you all can get smarter. You're welcome. lol

QBs - C+
Kyler is average and Brissett gets the +.

RBs - B
Conner is good. Benson has done nothing. Demercado makes plays.

WRs - C
I like MHJ but he has not shown to be more than average at WR. The rest of the room is ok.

TEs - A+
One of the best groups in the NFL.

OL - B
The depth is ok, and this is assuming a healthy Jonah Williams.

Edge - C
Collins can't rush the passer, and Sweat has never produced a high sack total. Browning and Burch are hopefuls who will have an opportunity to show what they can do.

DTs - C+
The potential for this unit to be better is what earned the +. Love Calais but he is 39, and Dalvin Tomlinson is also 30+. Darius has not done anything that matters in a regular season game. 3 guys out for at least the first 4 games does not help.

ILB - D-
Mack Wilson and then bad.

CBs - C
Garrett Williams and a bunch of inexperienced players who haven't shown anything.

Safeties - A
One of the best groups in the NFL.

 

[Shane]

Because everyone who disagrees with me is normally wrong, here are my grades so you all can get smarter. You're welcome. lol

QBs - C+
Kyler is average and Brissett gets the +.

RBs - B
Conner is good. Benson has done nothing. Demercado makes plays.

WRs - C
I like MHJ but he has not shown to be more than average at WR. The rest of the room is ok.

TEs - A+
One of the best groups in the NFL.

OL - B
The depth is ok, and this is assuming a healthy Jonah Williams.

Edge - C
Collins can't rush the passer, and Sweat has never produced a high sack total. Browning and Burch are hopefuls who will have an opportunity to show what they can do.

DTs - C+
The potential for this unit to be better is what earned the +. Love Calais but he is 39, and Dalvin Tomlinson is also 30+. Darius has not done anything that matters in a regular season game. 3 guys out for at least the first 4 games does not help.

ILB - D-
Mack Wilson and then bad.

CBs - C
Garrett Williams and a bunch of inexperienced players who haven't shown anything.

Safeties - A
One of the best groups in the NFL.

This reads like 7-10

Bet the under ladies and gents

 

[Chopper0080]

This reads like 7-10

Bet the under ladies and gents

lol.

Here why I think it matters less.

1 - The offense. RB, OL, and TE are synergetic enough that is matters more than the QB and WR grades.

2 - The experience on the roster defensively. There is a likelihood the young players get better. When this happens, it raises these grades.

3 - The increase in number of league average players. What can be incredibly important for teams is limiting how many bad players they have to put on the field. I think the Cardinals should be able to mostly avoid that this season.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Because everyone who disagrees with me is normally wrong, here are my grades so you all can get smarter. You're welcome. lol

QBs - C+
Kyler is average and Brissett gets the +.

RBs - B
Conner is good. Benson has done nothing. Demercado makes plays.

WRs - C
I like MHJ but he has not shown to be more than average at WR. The rest of the room is ok.

TEs - A+
One of the best groups in the NFL.

OL - B
The depth is ok, and this is assuming a healthy Jonah Williams.

Edge - C
Collins can't rush the passer, and Sweat has never produced a high sack total. Browning and Burch are hopefuls who will have an opportunity to show what they can do.

DTs - C+
The potential for this unit to be better is what earned the +. Love Calais but he is 39, and Dalvin Tomlinson is also 30+. Darius has not done anything that matters in a regular season game. 3 guys out for at least the first 4 games does not help.

ILB - D-
Mack Wilson and then bad.

CBs - C
Garrett Williams and a bunch of inexperienced players who haven't shown anything.

Safeties - A
One of the best groups in the NFL.

kyler is above average

conner and benson both averaged 4.6 yards

death row gets a b

agreed on ilb and cbs and safeties

 

[Proximo]

kyler is above average

conner and benson both averaged 4.6 yards

death row gets a b

agreed on ilb and cbs and safeties

Conner and Benson may have averaged 4.6 - but that is more about the run blocking then their individual skill. Neither is a top tier back in pure running talent.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Conner and Benson may have averaged 4.6 - but that is more about the run blocking then their individual skill. Neither is a top tier back in pure running talent.

except conner is a top tier rb and benson averaged the same ypc

 

[CardNots]

Ranking Arizona Cardinals' best position groups: Where does Kyler Murray fit in?

Seems to mirror the thoughts of the posters on this message board.

 

[BACH]

Conner and Benson may have averaged 4.6 - but that is more about the run blocking then their individual skill. Neither is a top tier back in pure running talent.

Agree. Connor is good. Around 10-12-ish in the NFL, but the scheme makes him better. Besides Benson having to learn early that he cannot just carry his college style into the NFL, all RBs basicly looked good behind this OL in this scheme.

 

[kerouac9]

except conner is a top tier rb and benson averaged the same ypc

He’s not he’s a second tier RB. He’s not in the same class as Bijan, King Henry, and Saquon.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

He’s not he’s a second tier RB. He’s not in the same class as Bijan, King Jenry, and Saquon.

second tier post

 

[Harry]

Because everyone who disagrees with me is normally wrong, here are my grades so you all can get smarter. You're welcome. lol

QBs - C+
Kyler is average and Brissett gets the +.

RBs - B
Conner is good. Benson has done nothing. Demercado makes plays.

WRs - C
I like MHJ but he has not shown to be more than average at WR. The rest of the room is ok.

TEs - A+
One of the best groups in the NFL.

OL - B
The depth is ok, and this is assuming a healthy Jonah Williams.

Edge - C
Collins can't rush the passer, and Sweat has never produced a high sack total. Browning and Burch are hopefuls who will have an opportunity to show what they can do.

DTs - C+
The potential for this unit to be better is what earned the +. Love Calais but he is 39, and Dalvin Tomlinson is also 30+. Darius has not done anything that matters in a regular season game. 3 guys out for at least the first 4 games does not help.

ILB - D-
Mack Wilson and then bad.

CBs - C
Garrett Williams and a bunch of inexperienced players who haven't shown anything.

Safeties - A
One of the best groups in the NFL.

Agree with slight differences. I think you’re low on the Edges; Sweat & Burch are winners so B. RBs get a B+ from me; Benson is a comer. DLs get a B even without Nolen. CBs get an I until I see starters play.

 

[PDXChris]

ESPN did a 1-10 rating for each group of each team and the Cardinals are super mid! It's below the power rankings.

2025 NFL projections, power rankings, Super Bowl predictions

Let's project the NFL's best -- and worst -- offenses and defenses. Plus, how do all 32 teams rank overall, and who will make the Super Bowl?

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[kerouac9]

ESPN did a 1-10 rating for each group of each team and the Cardinals are super mid! It's below the power rankings.

2025 NFL projections, power rankings, Super Bowl predictions

Let's project the NFL's best -- and worst -- offenses and defenses. Plus, how do all 32 teams rank overall, and who will make the Super Bowl?

www.espn.com

Yeah Cards are going to be a good case study in how strong a roster with C+ players across the board but maybe 1-2 blue-chippers can perform versus a team with more high-end talent but strategic weaknesses in the roster.