Giannis vs Ayton / Middleton vs Bridges

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In the wake of the Game 6 loss, I'm seeing so many here making, what I believe to be, improper comparisons... Ayton to Giannis and Bridges to Middleton. I took a look at Gianni's year when he was 22, which was his 4th year in the NBA. I did the same with Middleton, looking at his year when he was 24, which was also his 4th year in the NBA. See below and drawn your own conclusions. For me, I think it helps to keep things in perspective and shows the folly of these comparisons...

Giannis at 22 (4th Year) vs Ayton at 22 (3rd Year)

- Mins Played: 35.6 vs 30.7
- FGA: 15.7 vs 10
- FG%: 52% vs 63%
- Off Reb: 1.8 vs 3.3
- Tot Reb: 8.8 vs 10.5
- Assists: 5.4 vs 1.4
- Blocks: 1.9 vs 1.2
- PPG: 22.9 vs 14.4

Middleton at 24 (4th Year) vs Bridges at 24 (3rd Year)

- Mins Played: 36.1 vs 32.6
- FGA: 14.5 vs 9.3
- FG%: 44% vs 54%
- 3PA: 4.6 vs 4.4
- 3P%: 40% vs 43%
- Assists: 4.2 vs 2.1
- Steals: 1.7 vs 1.1
- PPG: 18.2 vs 13.5
 

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Ayton 18.2%
Giannis 28.3%

Giannis has been the primary go-to on offense since his 3rd season, while Ayton has never been. His usage was 4th on the team this season, behind Book, CP3 and Cam Payne (!).
 

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Age & Maturity matters.

They were ready..... More mature....... Prepared for the playoff aggression and atmosphere.

We, unfortunately, were not.
 

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Age & Maturity matters.

They were ready..... More mature....... Prepared for the playoff aggression and atmosphere.

We, unfortunately, were not.

we really didn’t handle the pressure well in three fourth quarters of tight games.
 

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In the wake of the Game 6 loss, I'm seeing so many here making, what I believe to be, improper comparisons... Ayton to Giannis and Bridges to Middleton. I took a look at Gianni's year when he was 22, which was his 4th year in the NBA. I did the same with Middleton, looking at his year when he was 24, which was also his 4th year in the NBA. See below and drawn your own conclusions. For me, I think it helps to keep things in perspective and shows the folly of these comparisons...

Giannis at 22 (4th Year) vs Ayton at 22 (3rd Year)

- Mins Played: 35.6 vs 30.7
- FGA: 15.7 vs 10
- FG%: 52% vs 63%
- Off Reb: 1.8 vs 3.3
- Tot Reb: 8.8 vs 10.5
- Assists: 5.4 vs 1.4
- Blocks: 1.9 vs 1.2
- PPG: 22.9 vs 14.4

Middleton at 24 (4th Year) vs Bridges at 24 (3rd Year)

- Mins Played: 36.1 vs 32.6
- FGA: 14.5 vs 9.3
- FG%: 44% vs 54%
- 3PA: 4.6 vs 4.4
- 3P%: 40% vs 43%
- Assists: 4.2 vs 2.1
- Steals: 1.7 vs 1.1
- PPG: 18.2 vs 13.5

Why would you compare one team's first and second best players with another team's 3rd and 4th best players?
 

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Why would you compare one team's first and second best players with another team's 3rd and 4th best players?

yeah. I have no clue what this comparison is supposed to prove.
 

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yeah. I have no clue what this comparison is supposed to prove.

By the way, compare away. Advanced stats show that Bridges' impact on the game is not that far behind Middleton's. Here are stats just from this season. Check out the win shares and VORP.


RkPlayerSeasonAgeGMPPERTS%3PArFTrORB%DRB%TRB%AST%STL%BLK%TOV%USG% OWSDWSWSWS/48 OBPMDBPMBPMVORP
1Mikal Bridges2020-212472234816.4.667.471.1963.711.17.58.81.62.47.314.95.42.68.0.1642.20.83.03.0
2Khris Middleton2020-212968226918.2.588.340.2202.615.79.423.21.50.413.125.04.12.26.4.1352.0-0.71.31.9
 

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RkPlayerSeasonAgeGMPPERTS%3PArFTrORB%DRB%TRB%AST%STL%BLK%TOV%USG% OWSDWSWSWS/48 OBPMDBPMBPMVORP
1Giannis Antetokounmpo2015-162180282318.8.566.108.4044.620.012.420.01.73.414.822.34.22.97.1.1211.30.72.12.9
2Deandre Ayton2020-212269211520.3.653.029.25212.426.319.56.81.03.411.918.25.33.18.4.1910.90.00.91.6
 

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I think the Middleton and Bridges comparison has the potential to be a good one.

I see no reason Mikal cant become a very similar player.

Ayton vs Giannis - don't see that one. Ayton is just 20 times more passive than Giannis, and I don't see that changing.
 

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Giannis was playing with incredible force and physicality from an early age. Ayton has a completely different mindset.

Middleton is a shot creator while Bridges is a 3&D role guy who can occasionally finish at the rim.
Yes, they are different players who impact the game in different ways.

There's no perfect way to compare such players, but there are numbers that try to capture a player's cumulative impact on a game. Bridges compares favorably to Middleton using such metrics.
 

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Yes, they are different players who impact the game in different ways.

There's no perfect way to compare such players, but there are numbers that try to capture a player's cumulative impact on a game. Bridges compares favorably to Middleton using such metrics.
I agree. I wasn’t quoting your stats but I clicked it and couldn’t erase it.

Bridges can turtle at times be he shot 53-43-91 in the finals. If you told me all 3 role wings would shoot so well in the finals I’d say we win in 5.
 
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