Giannis vs Ayton / Middleton vs Bridges

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I agree. I wasn’t quoting your stats but I clicked it and couldn’t erase it.

Bridges can turtle at times be he shot 53-43-91 in the finals. If you told me all 3 role wings would shoot so well in the finals I’d say we win in 5.

sorry, but those stats are meaningless when you can so easily be taken out of the game by just staying on the corner three.

in the last four finals games he averaged 7.6 PPG. That’s pathetic. The moment the Bucks actually started guarding the three, Bridges had NO offensive game.
 

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sorry, but those stats are meaningless when you can so easily be taken out of the game by just staying on the corner three.

in the last four finals games he averaged 7.6 PPG. That’s pathetic. The moment the Bucks actually started guarding the three, Bridges had NO offensive game.

You say easily, but taking shots away from Bridges came at a cost to the Bucks. Booker scored 40 points twice because they weren't helping on defense.
 

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we really didn’t handle the pressure well in three fourth quarters of tight games.
Our lack of experience shined though. They say the finals puts pressure on players like no other round. Monty even seemed to admit post game that our lack of experience hurt us.
 

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You say easily, but taking shots away from Bridges came at a cost to the Bucks. Booker scored 40 points twice because they weren't helping on defense.

they won both games Booker went off. What was the cost? NOTHING. Same as when the Spurs decided to single cover Amare and stay on our shooters in 2005.
 

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I think the Middleton and Bridges comparison has the potential to be a good one.

I see no reason Mikal cant become a very similar player.

Ayton vs Giannis - don't see that one. Ayton is just 20 times more passive than Giannis, and I don't see that changing.
And their games are just different. I don’t ever expect Ayton to initiate the offense at the top of the key and drive the ball. And needn’t do so in order to become a dominant force offensively.
 

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Yes, they are different players who impact the game in different ways.

There's no perfect way to compare such players, but there are numbers that try to capture a player's cumulative impact on a game. Bridges compares favorably to Middleton using such metrics.
But that only works when you have complimentary players. Like a team full of bridges would get stomped bc no one could effectively initiate the offense or consistently get their own shot. That’s where a lot of advanced metrics come up short. That said, I’m not saying ignore those metrics - there’s true value there - but rather relying them solely in player comparison is a faulty line of analysis.
 

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I’ve been seeing this all over the board but Giannis does this and Ayton can’t match him

I honestly think people don’t understand how special Giannis is. In a league that has had a ton of just physical freaks he’s at the top of the list of not damn close to the top.

the numbers support it Ayton actually did a really good job defensively on him but he shot almost 80% against everyone else lol.
 

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But that only works when you have complimentary players. Like a team full of bridges would get stomped bc no one could effectively initiate the offense or consistently get their own shot. That’s where a lot of advanced metrics come up short. That said, I’m not saying ignore those metrics - there’s true value there - but rather relying them solely in player comparison is a faulty line of analysis.
A team full of Bridges would tie a team full of Middletons.
 

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they won both games Booker went off. What was the cost? NOTHING. Same as when the Spurs decided to single cover Amare and stay on our shooters in 2005.
It cost them 40 points. I guess they could afford 40 points.

Just because I can afford my mortgage doesn't mean my house cost nothing.
 

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And their games are just different. I don’t ever expect Ayton to initiate the offense at the top of the key and drive the ball. And needn’t do so in order to become a dominant force offensively.

Agree...

To be clear for all who have chimed in on this thread, the point of this post was to merely illustrate the stats of players many on this board have been tossing up in a comparative manner, saying "I would trade Middleton for Bridges," "Ayton is so soft compared to Giannis," "Middleton is so much more reliable than Bridges," etc... illustrating the stats of Giannis and Middleton when they were at the same age of Ayton and Bridges today.
If you were to compare the stats of Giannis and Middleton in their 3rd years in the league, those stats point even more favorably in the direction of Ayton and Bridges. In other words, both Giannis and Middleton showed substantial improvement after their 3rd year.

While it might appear that both Ayton and Bridges might not possess as much upside as Giannis and Middleton showed in their 3rd seasons, IMHO, both have shown more than enough potential to suggest there is much better to come in the years ahead. Dunno precisely what that will look like - and neither do any of you. But I do feel quite confident that both of them, along with Cam Johnson, will show meaningful, important develop over the next 2-3 years and beyond. And, having gone through the fire of a post season where they reached a Game 6 of the Finals (something Giannis and Middleton hadn't experienced), this experience will act as a powerful boost to their coming development.
 

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Reality post playoffs....

We caught a perfect storm of major injuries to each one of our playoff opponents. We were getting beat up by the Lakers and AD went down. The Nuggets didn't have Murray and the Clippers didn't have Leonard. IMO, we definitely lose to the Clippers and most likely to the Nuggets.

Before the series, it looked like Giannis wouldn't play. We lost the series when he stepped on the court game 1.

We certainly don't suck. We lost 3 close games. But we had to, for the first time, matchup with a full strength elite NBA team.

Of course Giannis and Middleton and better players than Ayton and Bridges. Right now.
 

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I think the Middleton and Bridges comparison has the potential to be a good one.

I see no reason Mikal cant become a very similar player.

Ayton vs Giannis - don't see that one. Ayton is just 20 times more passive than Giannis, and I don't see that changing.


He can but right now he has no game at all off the bounce. More than one dribble and if it's not a dunk or layup he's not scoring. Middleton is no Kyrie off the bounce but he's very good at getting to his spot rising and hitting the midrange off teh bounce.
 

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I just happened to be thinking about Khris Middleton and Mikal Bridges at the same stage of their 3-year career and it's remarkably similar. See link below.

Does this give us a clue how much Mikal Bridges should be paid?

After two seasons Middleton earned a 5-year $70 million contract and later on inked a a 5-year, $177.5 million contract.


 
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