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If I recall from the press conference video, Monti was asked about the draft and his answer was we may make a selection at #3 however we will also entertain offers and may move back. I suspect, the offers presented will determine if the team moves back in the draft. I also think it would be wrong of our new GM not to see what he can get for the third pick if he is doing due diligence in his job.
Again, acquiring three first rounders is only valuable if you are able to hit on those picks. Kinda a straight bet vs parlay debate.
 

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But he wasn’t a good enough player to counterbalance skillet being a bust when compared to just drafting Suggs. We gave up the homerun for a double and a strikeout.
You aren't guaranteed to get a homerun at #10 overall, like you are at 3. Trading a number 10 overall for 17 and 18 is pretty good value.
 

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Again, acquiring three first rounders is only valuable if you are able to hit on those picks. Kinda a straight bet vs parlay debate.
It's why we should trust the GM's plan, right? (if it is to trade down)
 

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The ego being that you can do better than Will Anderson with multiple picks in your first year of heading a draft room.

Monti doesn't need to make a splash in his first year. He just needs to not crap the bed.
That's fair. Just to make my position clear, I want Carter, then Anderson. If both are gone, trade down.
 

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You aren't guaranteed to get a homerun at #10 overall, like you are at 3. Trading a number 10 overall for 17 and 18 is pretty good value.
Not when "the guy" is sitting there for the taking. When you have a gaping hole at such an important position and a clear replacement is staring you right in the face, trading down is probably going to be dumb 9/10 times.
 

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It's why we should trust the GM's plan, right? (if it is to trade down)
Again, it is about the arrogance of the decision. He has never been the head of the table. He doesn't know this scouting team. He has a lot on his plate between now and April. All he is doing by trading back is making his job more difficult because he is increasing risk.
 

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Not when "the guy" is sitting there for the taking. When you have a gaping hole at such an important position and a clear replacement is staring you right in the face, trading down is probably going to be dumb 9/10 times.
Especially when he doesn't know his scouts, his support staff, the scheme, or anything else.
 

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Not when "the guy" is sitting there for the taking. When you have a gaping hole at such an important position and a clear replacement is staring you right in the face, trading down is probably going to be dumb 9/10 times.

Trading down for the Cardinals is the smart thing 9/10 times this year. Unless "the guy" they draft at #3 overall can play on both DL and OL and survive 100 snaps per game, then it might be worth it. The Cardinals need to fill a ton of holes and they need draft picks to do it. They currently only have 5 picks in the 2023 draft:

  • Round 1, Pick 3
  • Round 2, Pick 35
  • Round 3, Pick 67
  • Round 4, Pick 105
  • Round 6, Pick 179
And here is their current roster for 2023:


QBs: Kyler Murray (on IR), Colt McCoy
RBs: James Conner, Keyontay Ingram
WRs: DHop(probably traded), Hollywood, Rondale, Anderson(probably cut), Baccellia
TEs: Ertz, McBride
OTs: Hump, Josh Jones,
OGs: Lecitus Smith, Marquis Hayes
C: Rodney Hudson (Probably Retiring)

DT: Leki Fotu, Lawrence, Manny Jones
DE: Golden, Cam Thomas,
Edge: Dennis Gardek, Myjai Sanders, Victor Dimukeje, Jesse Luketa
ILB: Simmons, Collins
S: Baker, Thompson
CB: Marco Wilson, Christian Matthew

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Trading down for the Cardinals is the smart thing 9/10 times this year. Unless "the guy" they draft at #3 overall can play on both DL and OL and survive 100 snaps per game then it might be worth it. The Cardinals need to fill a ton of holes and they need draft picks to do it. They currently only have 5 picks in the 2023 draft and here is their current roster for 2023:


QBs: Kyler Murray (on IR), Colt McCoy
RBs: James Conner, Keyontay Ingram
WRs: DHop(probably traded), Hollywood, Rondale, Anderson(probably cut), Baccellia
TEs: Ertz, McBride
OTs: Hump, Josh Jones,
OGs: Lecitus Smith, Marquis Hayes
C: Rodney Hudson (Probably Retiring)

DT: Leki Fotu, Lawrence, Manny Jones
DE: Golden, Cam Thomas,
Edge: Dennis Gardek, Myjai Sanders, Victor Dimukeje, Jesse Luketa
ILB: Simmons, Collins
S: Baker, Thompson
CB: Marco Wilson, Christian Matthew

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Expecting whatever you get back in trading back to somehow fill more than one hole next year is pretty unrealistic. The scouts don't know the scheme, the position coaches, or the head coach. No additional games are being played just All Star Games, a combine and personal workouts. This is not the year to try and "win" the draft.

Take an impact player at a key position at 3. Try to get some safe guys later who can maybe contribute on special teams.
 

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Trading down for the Cardinals is the smart thing 9/10 times this year. Unless "the guy" they draft at #3 overall can play on both DL and OL and survive 100 snaps per game, then it might be worth it. The Cardinals need to fill a ton of holes and they need draft picks to do it. They currently only have 5 picks in the 2023 draft:

  • Round 1, Pick 3
  • Round 2, Pick 35
  • Round 3, Pick 67
  • Round 4, Pick 105
  • Round 6, Pick 179
And here is their current roster for 2023:


QBs: Kyler Murray (on IR), Colt McCoy
RBs: James Conner, Keyontay Ingram
WRs: DHop(probably traded), Hollywood, Rondale, Anderson(probably cut), Baccellia
TEs: Ertz, McBride
OTs: Hump, Josh Jones,
OGs: Lecitus Smith, Marquis Hayes
C: Rodney Hudson (Probably Retiring)

DT: Leki Fotu, Lawrence, Manny Jones
DE: Golden, Cam Thomas,
Edge: Dennis Gardek, Myjai Sanders, Victor Dimukeje, Jesse Luketa
ILB: Simmons, Collins
S: Baker, Thompson
CB: Marco Wilson, Christian Matthew

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K:
LS:
lol No. This is the kind of logic that gets you JAGs at several positions while passing up one HoF player.

Easy peasy question here: Would you rather have had Terrell Suggs or Skillet Hands and Pace? Sure, pace ended up being decent, but he was out of position and we got very little out of him.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's not overthink this. Granted, if you don't think Anderson will be that special, your logic will and should be different. If you do think he is that special but still want to trade back simply to fill roster holes, I got nothing for ya.
 

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Expecting whatever you get back in trading back to somehow fill more than one hole next year is pretty unrealistic. The scouts don't know the scheme, the position coaches, or the head coach. No additional games are being played just All Star Games, a combine and personal workouts. This is not the year to try and "win" the draft.

Take an impact player at a key position at 3. Try to get some safe guys later who can maybe contribute on special teams.

The combine is still about 2 months away. The draft is not until April. There is plenty of time to scout players based on whatever the new Coaching Staff's scheme is. Just because games have been played doesn't mean that there isn't still film of the games available.
 

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lol No. This is the kind of logic that gets you JAGs at several positions while passing up one HoF player.

Easy peasy question here: Would you rather have had Terrell Suggs or Skillet Hands and Pace? Sure, pace ended up being decent, but he was out of position and we got very little out of him.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's not overthink this. Granted, if you don't think Anderson will be that special, your logic will and should be different. If you do think he is that special but still want to trade back simply to fill roster holes, I got nothing for ya.
Since you are using hindsight, the question should allow you to select anyone in the first round 17 and later. If we traded Suggs for Pace and one of McGahee/Larry Johnson/Dallas Clark, I'd do it.
 

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lol No. This is the kind of logic that gets you JAGs at several positions while passing up one HoF player.

Easy peasy question here: Would you rather have had Terrell Suggs or Skillet Hands and Pace? Sure, pace ended up being decent, but he was out of position and we got very little out of him.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's not overthink this. Granted, if you don't think Anderson will be that special, your logic will and should be different. If you do think he is that special but still want to trade back simply to fill roster holes, I got nothing for ya.
Over and over again is a stretch, no?
 

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lol No. This is the kind of logic that gets you JAGs at several positions while passing up one HoF player.

Easy peasy question here: Would you rather have had Terrell Suggs or Skillet Hands and Pace? Sure, pace ended up being decent, but he was out of position and we got very little out of him.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's not overthink this. Granted, if you don't think Anderson will be that special, your logic will and should be different. If you do think he is that special but still want to trade back simply to fill roster holes, I got nothing for ya.

LOL. We don't have Rod Graves as our GM anymore.

So would you rather have:

Trey Lance

or

Jaylen Waddle
Tyreek Hill
Bradley Chubb
 

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Since you are using hindsight, the question should allow you to select anyone in the first round 17 and later. If we traded Suggs for Pace and one of McGahee/Larry Johnson/Dallas Clark, I'd do it.
Pace is a wash. He was worth nothing for us. So for me it's really Suggs vs those players, and no, I absolutely would not have traded Suggs for Pace plus any of those players. Prime pass rusher beats good RBs and great TEs.
 

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Trading down for the Cardinals is the smart thing 9/10 times this year. Unless "the guy" they draft at #3 overall can play on both DL and OL and survive 100 snaps per game, then it might be worth it. The Cardinals need to fill a ton of holes and they need draft picks to do it. They currently only have 5 picks in the 2023 draft:

  • Round 1, Pick 3
  • Round 2, Pick 35
  • Round 3, Pick 67
  • Round 4, Pick 105
  • Round 6, Pick 179
And here is their current roster for 2023:


QBs: Kyler Murray (on IR), Colt McCoy
RBs: James Conner, Keyontay Ingram
WRs: DHop(probably traded), Hollywood, Rondale, Anderson(probably cut), Baccellia
TEs: Ertz, McBride
OTs: Hump, Josh Jones,
OGs: Lecitus Smith, Marquis Hayes
C: Rodney Hudson (Probably Retiring)

DT: Leki Fotu, Lawrence, Manny Jones
DE: Golden, Cam Thomas,
Edge: Dennis Gardek, Myjai Sanders, Victor Dimukeje, Jesse Luketa
ILB: Simmons, Collins
S: Baker, Thompson
CB: Marco Wilson, Christian Matthew

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The current roster is frightening
 

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You aren't guaranteed to get a homerun at #10 overall, like you are at 3. Trading a number 10 overall for 17 and 18 is pretty good value.
Except we DIDNT trade the 10th pick. We traded the 6TH PICK AND a high 2nd round pick for 17, 18 in what was deemed a shallow first round and a late second round pick.

Tough to have a real discussion here when one person has such little command of the facts in the first place.
 
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We are not going to give the first pick for nothing. But there’s a real chance there is a team that wants their QB. What if we got two #1’s and a #2? That is not far fetched.
 

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Except we DIDNT trade the 10th pick. We traded the 6TH PICK AND a high 2nd round pick for 17, 18 in the first round and a late second round pick.

Tough to have a real discussion here when one person has such little command of the facts in the first place.
He was drafted 10th. That's where I got that from. Besides, you know THE POINT that I am trying to make.

I thought you were going to lay off the snark...
 

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