We are gonna lose Dansby no matter what.
Fitzgerald: Go back and watch the first 8 games of the season.
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Good stuff.
I am gonna copy & paste this on every one of these Fitz threads.
Ed first off its good to see you are still alive.
2nd you need to chill bro. You obvioulsy havent been reading this board if you come on here and say there havent been threads questioning Fitz heart etc....... Because there absolutely has.
So either you arent visiting often enough or you jut assumed there wasnt. Either way you are wrong.
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at least not until next year.
So your solution to filling holes on the team is to create more holes?
Are you George Boone?
I would assume that his solution is the smart one. Only idiots pay recievers out the ass like this. How has it worked out for Cincinatti????? This move is stupid, and the epitome of a Rod Graves' led team.
RG needs to grow a brain. Football is won in the trenches. You need to be dominent on both lines before you start throwing money at skill position players. Especially wideouts.
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Cincy had a Top 10 offense this season. It's not Ocho Cinco's fault that two of their top defensive draftees either ended up getting suspended from the NFL or breaking their necks. It's not Carson Palmer's fault that defensive players kept getting arrested. Cincy was a Super Bowl favorite all of two years ago. I'm not sure that the situations are comperable.
The Cards have been a top 10 offense many times. Too bad you dont get any trophies for that. Cincinatti actually was doing better than us in that they really had a complete O. There wasn't a weak link anywhere IMO. The couldn't win because their D blows. Now their line is getting old, Whosyourmama has evolved and is more pricy and Carson is tired of all the BS.
I still disagree. In today's NFL, considering the no contact rules for DBs, football is won on the edges. Its' QB and WRs on offense and DE/Rush LBs that are vitally important. That's where you throw enormous amounts of money. You can get mid salaried guys to pass block and plug the middle, and tote the rock and still win.
And no way would I agree with letting go a 24 year old 2 time pro bowl player at any position just so I could sign some backups. 28,29,30 maybe with a young guy in line to replace him, but no way with a guy that age.
At least you have a plan and have actually thought it out. Most here just want Fitz signed for no reason. I will still have to disagree.
One question though, according to you teams should be spending primo bucks on pass rushers. Why then would you think that average pass blockers would be successfull. That just doesn't make sense. The SB not only emphasized the need for pass rushers, but mainly the need for a dominent line.
No one has said anything about letting him go so that we could sign backups. I know you are too intelligent to honestly believe that anyone here actually wants that. Not sure if you are trying to agitate or what, but that statement you made makes zero sense whatsoever.
Please tell me how trading Fitz for a 1st rounder and a very good starter, i.e. Lito Sheppard, and then having the time and money to resign Pace, a GREAT OLB, and possibly someone like Faneca or some really good depth signings is "letting go a 24yr old 2 time pro bowl player so that we can sign some backups"?????????????????
Unfortunately, the situation gets worse. If we kick out ridiculous amounts of money for a normally cheap position, what do you think will happen over the next few years???
Dansby-gone-wanted the moon
Boldin-gone-wanted Fitz-type cash
Dockett-gone- tired of losing
Wilson-stays
Way to go RG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
With a good line, you can run the ball successfully, which is the main goal on offense IMO. With above average blocking, the WRs will have plenty of time to get open and the QB will be able to find the best option. Any WR can get open with 5-7 seconds to do so. Look what happened to Champ Bailey this year when his team was unable to generate a pass rush.
Look what happened to the Ravens when they couldn't move the ball vs. Patriots.
I've done a lot of research on the offensive lines of the successful teams over the past couple of years trying to figure out why the Cards continually hadproblems in that area. What I found was experience at Center and keeping the same guys together was more important in building a dominant oline than individual talent. Also most of the teams I researched didn't have more than one or maybe two big name linemen. Most were just average paid blue collar guys like Gandy and Duece.
I know you haven't, you usually have a solution like your trade scenario. But I was responding to the statement that Boldin and Fitz could be "replaced for far cheaper" as well others blanket statements that Fitz' contract is hurting the team.
My responses are in the context of what appears to be the Cards plans to only sign depth players and that Pace was going to go FA this year regardless of what happens with Fitzgerald along with my contention that there really aren't any positions on the team that need a huge upgrade.
Well I think Fitz is more valuable than anything we could realistically get for him in a trade. Even a #1 and Lito Shepard and Faneca. Mainly because I watched what happened in 2003 after we lost all 3 starting WR's. DAL in points scored and 2 first round and a 2nd round draft choice to get back to having top level wideouts. So I am a little biased in that area.
As for Pace, sadly, I think it will take a huge amount of money to sign him. More than the Cards would want to spend even without Fitzgerald. We did a great job of marketing the guy by switching to the 3-4 didn't we?
BTW: Even though we disagree on some things it is great to talk football with someone who actually has a rational basis for their takes.
You gotta be more specific. Which year??
I was just getting ready to write the same thing.
Last year. I suppose if the Ravens had had a decent QB in that game and avoided the weird happenings when on defense, it would have been different, but just running the ball on the Pats didn't really work.
Circle the wagons offenses in the the NFL are not going to be the same, in my opinion.
That situation doesn't really apply to what i was saying at all though. I was saying that a team should build good lines and go from there. The Raven's O-line was waaayy worse then ours. Odgen, Pashos, Mulitalo, Brown and Vincent are all gone. There line was made up of rookies and first year players.
With that said, do you think that this year's Patriots could have competed with the 2000 Ravens that were made up of great defense, best O-line in the game and nothing at QB or reciever?
Yes, I think this year Pats could compete with them. To beat the Pats, the Giants had to pressure the Pats on offense and make key plays in the passing game.
I think it would be safe to say that you and I saw different things in that game then. IMO the keys to the Giants victory were their constant pressure on the QB and their steady powerfull rushing attack which forced the Pats to keep 8 in the box.
The 2000 Ravens had the best D of all time IMO and if you didn't stack 8-9 guys down on them all game they would punsih you on the ground. Come to think of it, J Lewis ran for over 2,000yrds that year with teams stacking the box, so I guess they were just gonna spank you there regardless. They were also scary good in STs.
Keep in mind that team absolutely obliterated a very good Giant's squad in the SB.
You know more about the Raves than I do. I won't dispute that. I am just thinking about the unreal pass plays that the Giants completed in the second half.
You have some valid points, but I am very concerned about giving up Fitz without a replacement.
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Looking back at these threads you are probably the most prescient of all the posters on here.
It helps to have seen every game the Cards have played either live or on TV or tape since 1984. Also watched on TV both Coryell playoff games and the highlight of a Texas Cards fans life the 20-7 and 38-0 wins over Dallas in 1970. Heck I even sat in a BBQ restaurant in Manor Texas and watched the Cards lose to Green Bay 41-16 in the 1982 playoffs.
My wife and I used to go to a sports bar here in Austin and watch the Cards games. The only people there would be me, her, my older son and Gene Stalling's daughter and her husband.
The waitress said we tipped her more money than the 40-50 Browns fans who were there for the early game every Sunday.
Most amazing sports bar experience ever: Cards v Philly 1989. Philly won 17-5 in one of the worst NFL games I've ever seen. Eagles fans bought me every beer I drank that afternoon. Pity Pilsner we called it.
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Stop bumping this stuff. Seriously.
